Matt (00:00.418)
Hello and welcome to a very special version of Popcorn and Plot Holes. We've gotten rid of the popcorn and the plot holes and it's just me and Spencer.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (00:10.296)
We're the and part of popcorn and ploddles. We're the the and the and.
Matt (00:12.142)
We are the end part. Yeah. That's right. We are not going to review the electric state like we said, because we're liars. Two reasons. One, we're liars. Two, we watched Mickey Seven from the theaters and we thought we wanted to talk about it. Also, if you're wondering, you shouldn't be. But if you are wondering what happened to our other members of the team, they died.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (00:22.244)
We're dirty liars.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (00:39.556)
They're dead. We ate them. We're wearing their skin.
Matt (00:45.134)
Yeah, don't watch the video version of this if you post it. That's not what you want to see. They may or may not be reincarnated next week. I don't really know what God or Jesus they follow, so it's hard to tell.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (00:47.563)
It's very disturbing.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (00:56.706)
Yeah, they're not getting away from the electric state that easy.
Matt (01:02.126)
No, but I mean maybe they've got the maybe they're a what do they call it? Is he a replacement? Recycled? What's the Mickey 17? What is he? Expendable. Yeah, maybe they're expendables like Mickey and so we'll have Luciano 2 and Chris 2 next week. Wow, that's probably honest. Yeah, Chris 25. So we are going to talk about Mickey 17. Mickey 17 is the Cameron Britain vehicle.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (01:11.96)
I guess, do they have a name? they're called Expendables.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (01:19.756)
It's gotta be at least Chris Ford by that point.
Matt (01:31.374)
That was released this year in theaters. He was the doctor the quiet doctor guy who was always like running experiments on Mickey Yeah, yeah Yeah, it's like a guy you see but you don't know who he is Let me let me click on his I'm giving you more talking. We're gonna do the same thing. We always do we are going to Ask talk about the movie in the first half and ask some funny questions in the second half and then
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (01:32.004)
Who's Cameron Britton?
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (01:39.241)
yeah, he's good. He's good. I've seen him in other stuff. I don't know what. Yeah.
Matt (02:00.91)
Call it an evening. Might be a little shorter. Hey, we are gonna value. I think he was the creepy murder guy from Mindhunter. Yep, yep.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (02:02.392)
And don't forget, we're gonna wow you.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (02:08.076)
Yes, in Minehunter, he's gonna say that. He's really good in that.
Matt (02:13.622)
He was so he deserves a vehicle. So let's get into it without further ado. Spencer, what did you like about Mickey 17?
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (02:24.036)
I liked there's a lot to like about this movie. liked I liked Robert Pattinson's character who sounded once you notice it, you you can't unsee it. He sounded just like Steve Buscemi the whole movie. I was like, who does he sound like? And then once it clicked, I was like, my God, that is a bang on Steve Buscemi. So when you watch it, ignore that because it will take you out of the movie.
Matt (02:38.254)
He sure did.
Matt (02:49.794)
Don't think push me.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (02:52.718)
But he's just like, well, it's a weird voice. boy, another tough day for me. It's like Woody Allen too. But he's very, it's really impressive how different he sounds from him.
Matt (03:02.456)
Yeah.
Matt (03:08.834)
Yes, it makes sense. I don't know. I've not looked up anything to see if he did model it after Steve Buscemi, but it feels like it's one of those things where you want to model it after a person if you're going to do such a different voice. So it makes it easier to like capture it. You know what mean?
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (03:23.748)
Yeah, it definitely is. You could definitely tell it's like it has to be influenced by someone else because if not, it would seem like so fake. Like, you know what mean? Like you have to base it somewhat in reality because it's such a weird voice. It's almost like a Jerry Lewis, you know, like like neurotic. Oh boy, my girl, she's she's the greatest. You know, it's like, you know, like these it's a.
Matt (03:33.27)
Yeah. Yeah.
Matt (03:46.412)
Yep.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (03:51.766)
It was, but I liked it. That's all that to say. I really thought it was like interesting and different, which is refreshing in any movie, modern movie. And it's an original movie. So obviously it's bombed.
Matt (03:59.287)
Yeah.
Matt (04:07.63)
Yeah, well, I mean, it's it's not an original idea. It is a it's a book. And that book is called Mickey seven, which sure. I mean, I don't know. I don't know anything about the book. We're not going to talk about the book because we don't know anything. We're not even going to pretend.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (04:09.828)
yeah, it's a book.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (04:21.22)
I don't know. All I know is there's 10 less Mickeys than there apparently.
Matt (04:24.672)
Apparently a good things from my end of the spectrum You know It's a good cast like everyone they have a talented cast of actors And and it's unfortunate as we'll get into it the movie doesn't gel the way you'd hope it would The cast is fun. This is positive. Sorry. Sorry a positive I'm positive that you know, like obviously Robert Pattinson, you know, say what you want about him. He's
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (04:36.449)
Yeah, really good.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (04:45.23)
Hey, this is positive. This positive.
Matt (04:53.75)
actually a pretty good actor overall. then I feel, the Twilight's really, he really had to work to get that stank.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (04:55.448)
Yeah, he's really good. I don't think anybody says he's not anymore.
Yeah, but like that's like you got to work away from but after after Batman and like harsh times, we'll see. Was that a movie he was in?
Matt (05:10.99)
And he did like the lighthouse thing. Yeah.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (05:15.096)
The lighthouse, yeah. Like I saw that there's like a meme where it's like Robert Pattinson fans like 10 years ago and it's all like teenage girls and it's like Robert Pattinson, Pattinson fans now and it's like 40 year old smoker guy. You just say so good. It's like just like totally flipped.
Matt (05:26.67)
Yeah, that's what you want. I feel like that's that's your goal in life is to get Yeah, but yeah, well other people in the cast obviously have Steven yin as Timo He plays he plays a real fun part. Yeah, his parts really fun We have Ruffalo Tony Collette And they it's funny because they're like not even listed that high highly up in the cast just because they don't
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (05:34.084)
career trajectory
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (05:40.758)
I love him, in general.
Matt (05:56.44)
I think they come in later, but they're also they don't have that big of a role. They're either. Yeah, it's hard to say because we have like Cameron Britton who shows up a lot. then Naomi Ackie plays Nasha, who is the main love interest. Yeah.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (05:57.976)
They're in it a lot though. They're there any more than I thought.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (06:10.212)
Yeah, she's she's obviously one of the main characters. I think it was also one of the situations where they put their names at the end, but it's because it was like and Mark Ruffalo with Tony Collette. So I don't know if that's why they're listed so low, because they were. Eat it more than having them like bottom of the billing would indicate.
Matt (06:22.573)
Yeah.
Matt (06:29.172)
Yeah, I think so. I remember listening to a podcast a while ago and they were talking about billing and how that stuff works. And I think like it's a way to give people a higher billing. Because it's like they are not the first person. Like obviously Robert Pattinson is the main star. But when you're with and it's like you're ahead of like a lot of the other people in the list, even though you come at the end because it's like gives you a special.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (06:55.628)
Yeah, yeah, him an and, it's like a big deal. It's like and Samuel L. Jackson, he's always and Samuel L. Jackson.
Matt (06:58.188)
Yeah, and this guy, but yeah.
So yeah, well, yeah, that makes sense. It's Samuel, right? Let's talk about this movie a bit. You and I kind of, we talked about this a bit before the movie. Just to let everybody know how cool we are, we met up early before the movie and played Magic because we're super cool, awesome guys. Just to get real horned up. Get a little loose from the movie. Actually, I played another long game on the weekend, so don't feel bad.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (07:05.699)
Yeah.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (07:18.35)
just to get a little lubed up, you know, get a little loose, get a little loose. We played one long magic game.
Yeah, that's good.
Matt (07:32.566)
So what, like, because this, were talking about this during Magic, it's like, what are we expecting this movie to be? Because we watched the trailer, or I watched the trailer, and the trailer was basically like, hey, they killed Robert Pattinson a whole whack of times for reasons. But what else did you expect?
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (07:41.24)
trailer. Yeah.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (07:46.914)
Yeah, I'm down. I was I was down. Well, I was expecting it to be a. Like a sci fi movie with. Kind of like. I thought the main plot point was going to be the fact that he's cloned. Every time he dies. And then it was going to like deal with the ramifications of that on a society and then sort of. There's like.
Spoilers kind of shows in the trailer too, but like they think he dies so they clone him but then he survives so there's two of them which is like Which is not allowed and I thought that was gonna get into sort of like more like Philosophically like the you know the the ramifications of that and like which ones the real like the you know Is he the they all him are they all different? know that kind of thing?
Matt (08:40.066)
Yeah, I should probably I should have said this about 10 minutes ago, but spoilers we are gonna ruin this movie if you haven't seen it yet, so Stop right now go to the theater and then once you've watched it turn this podcast on immediately to finish the rest of it Do it you cowards I have your dad This is your dad watch anyways, but yeah, well, I asked
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (08:46.538)
Yes, go to the theater, see it, come back.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (08:55.286)
Or don't, I'm not your dad. Matt is your dad, so listen to your dad, go see it.
Matt (09:08.14)
I don't think the trailer, I wasn't prepared for double Pattinson. No, I know there's a duplicate in the trailer, but I just assumed they would do like movie magic or I kind of thought maybe they'd off the duplicate or I didn't really know what to expect. Like there's a ton of double Pattinson throughout the movie. it's like half.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (09:12.738)
No, you weren't.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (09:26.114)
Yeah, it's like two main characters almost.
Matt (09:30.722)
Yeah, and they, to your point, mentor, they did have very distinct personalities between, I don't know. Yeah.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (09:35.074)
which is also a problem for me well i i i like that they do the first now but they didn't explain why he had two different personalities and they also didn't explain like
Matt (09:43.384)
Well, I was going to say I thought it was when they kicked the tube out of his clone and they had to plug it in real quick. thought that might have been sort of quote unquote the explanation.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (09:52.42)
I was, so I thought that too, but that was only for Mickey 17, not for Mickey 18. Mickey 18 was the one that was super different.
Matt (10:01.998)
Well only compared to Mickey's 17.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (10:04.356)
But we saw Mickey before he was Mickey 17. saw all his first like him going to the planet and him like signing up. It was always like, oh boy, I'm gonna find a new life for me. I'm go to space. Oh, and then like Mickey 18 comes and he's like, God, you're such a loser. I'm Batman. Fuck you. And it's just like, I was like, oh, OK.
Matt (10:24.92)
That's true, he was Batman. Well, this is this kind of gets to the point I talked about with you after the movie and my beef with this movie is that it's really apparent that this is a book, a movie made off of a book, because so much of what happens in the movie kind of doesn't make sense. And I'm sure the book had more time to explain it all. And the movie kind of just skips and flies around to like
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (10:54.094)
Yeah, of just like, kind of like does the old hand wipe, hand wave. It's fine. And I'm willing to like let that stuff slide, but it wasn't even like the story of the movie. Like the real story of the movie becomes about humans trying to destroy a race of aliens on this new planet.
Matt (10:55.036)
to answer things.
Yeah, yeah, don't worry about it, it's fine.
Sure.
Matt (11:21.894)
Right. What is humanity? Is humanity kind or is humanity the United States of America?
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (11:28.094)
Basically and spoilers their United States of America except for Mickey basically I totally not until the end I mean it yeah, it's just like I wasn't
Matt (11:36.354)
Just one. Yeah.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (11:42.808)
I didn't love that shift in focus from the story. Again, the movie in my head was more about the concept of the cloning and having expendable clones and then the ramifications of that. And then I thought the two of them were gonna kind of overthrow this corrupt capitalistic society, which it is tropey, but it's kind of with how stylish and well-made it was. I was like in for it.
Matt (12:11.788)
It's fine, yeah.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (12:12.708)
And then it just kind of shifted into like kind of a more. Not environmental, but like. Kind of like a genocidal, know, like a call colonialism. You know what I'm saying? It's like it changed its like theme like almost halfway through.
Matt (12:28.223)
Yeah.
Matt (12:33.078)
It's kind of like the Assassin's Fist Street Fighter story. Whereas like, well, like you're watching and it's like, it's about Ken and Ryu and how they learn from their master. And then all of a sudden it's like, no, it's Akuma and this guy like fighting each other. Yeah. Yeah, you haven't. But it feels the same, right? It's like, it's not, listen, it's not as abrupt as that is. Like there's cause for it. They do.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (12:37.956)
Don't you dare.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (12:43.297)
yeah.
Yeah, we have to do a live podcast to understand this movie. You've definitely never seen it, but it's not the movie you to be compared to.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (13:00.162)
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Matt (13:02.818)
But it does feel like I wanted to know more about the Mickeys and the morality of cloning and less about these like semi-cute space slugs.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (13:15.95)
Yeah, exactly. didn't like the space slugs were fine But I I would like the whole like him dying 17 times is like an open It's like a montage and I was kind of would have been cooler if they showed his like I just find the concept so cool it would have been really cool to see him be like die for the first time and him be like Like try to like be like wow that was crazy and dealing with that and then him slowly getting used to dying
Matt (13:21.26)
Yeah.
Matt (13:27.406)
Yeah. Yes.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (13:44.332)
You know, and just like that in itself as a character study. Would be much more interesting to me now if you if you're more interested in like a kind of comedic. Almost like a like take on Trump, you know, and like kind of like a satire ish thing that maybe you'd like it more than me. I just was kind of bummed that I didn't get that what I wanted, which is like I guess I kind of more of a drama even less of like a.
like with little hints of comedy.
Matt (14:16.074)
It was very, so the director was Fong Jun Ho, who, you know, he's done some good work. Yeah. And I think we were expecting a little more seriousness, like Parasite, and less comedy. Not to say there's comedy in Snowpiercer, but he did Snowpiercer, right? Yeah.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (14:18.276)
movie.
Yes.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (14:24.578)
I love Parasite. I really enjoyed that movie.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (14:34.18)
Yeah, like what have you seen his any of his other movies? I saw Snowpiercer and if you've seen Snowpiercer, highly recommend a YouTube video that describes how Snowpiercer is actually a sequel to Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory and it's fantastic and it'll kind of blow your mind. But I've seen Snowpiercer and I don't know if I've seen anything else that parasite. He had another movie about like an animal, which I feel like is more in tone with this.
Matt (14:49.198)
All right. Yeah.
Matt (15:02.274)
That's OK.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (15:04.906)
Okja, I never saw that. Okja? Okja? Okja? Okja.
Matt (15:06.794)
Yeah. Maybe okay. It's straight to okay. That was straight to Netflix, I believe. But yeah, it's it's so I just wonder again, this comes to me that you mentioned wanting to know what Mickey again, this is like where books shine and movies fail. Because books let you live in someone's head. And it's completely fine to describe what someone's going through and what they're thinking and doing. And a movie really has no outlet.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (15:18.06)
Yeah.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (15:27.8)
Yeah.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (15:33.284)
Mm-hmm.
Matt (15:36.362)
And they do a ton of Mickey talking over things in this. Yeah.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (15:38.336)
I was gonna say they tried their best. There's a lot of neurotic narration. boy. no. my God, I'm this planet again.
Matt (15:49.294)
Yeah. But even it kind of, it kind of like, I don't know if it stops when we get to the second one, but it's, I can't remember. But anyway, so the point is, like, it's still the, it needed a book. It feels like it's a book and I just didn't know how to represent it. And I wonder if, like you said, the biggest complaint I have is that you shift from the mickey-ness of the story and you really skip by all of the
fun questions that creating a clone of somebody creates. you just go to a generic, don't kill the space slugs, be better humanity ending.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (16:23.65)
Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (16:31.14)
Yeah, well, and also, mean, it wouldn't have bothered me as much if it seemed like that was something that mattered to Mickey, because it's almost like he doesn't care. He's just kind of like going through actions. He's very passive as a character. You know, he doesn't seem to even realize. There's not like a moment where he realizes something, like why he needs to stop this.
Matt (16:48.12)
Yep.
Yeah.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (17:00.834)
like how this affects the world or the people. He's just like, they weren't trying to kill me. I thought they just didn't want to eat me because my meat was bad. And it's like, they're actually not. I mean, even if they're just animals that want to eat you, you still probably shouldn't kill them all. But once they realize that they didn't want to eat them, that's like a big reveal.
And that's the other thing that I wanted to, sorry, don't, I didn't hate this movie, I just want to preface with that. But another thing that bothered me was like, I don't know if you know, you know this feeling that you get with certain movies where you feel like there's gonna be a reveal and you feel like they're setting up reveals and then there's never a reveal? I hate that. Because you're always like, oh, maybe, eh?
Matt (17:44.586)
Yeah.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (17:53.784)
And even at the end there, there's like a dream sequence where it seems like there's gonna be this big revelation. There's not. There's nothing. And I'm just like, All right, and then you just kind of feel kind of honeydicked.
Matt (17:57.262)
Mm hmm. Nothing. Yeah.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (18:09.304)
And I don't want my dick being honeyed.
Matt (18:12.012)
But you don't it sounds like it might be okay.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (18:13.996)
I mean, not without my consent ahead of time and bong didn't give my consent. Listen, I'm down for anything. Just, you know, I don't know ahead of time before honey comes out. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, that's that's all I'm saying. Exactly. So yeah, I just felt that like throughout the movie, there's a couple little things where like, you know, there's like he talks to the alien for the first time and it's like the aliens like.
Matt (18:18.414)
Is it because you want you want hot honey, you just want to the tingly sensation?
Matt (18:31.63)
Consent is important. Yeah.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (18:42.83)
Hey Mickey, he's like, how do know my name? He's like, it's a secret. And I'm like, ooh, are these like super like, you know, like are these aliens gonna be like some sort of symbolic connection or like a, you know, it's actually in his head or something, know, it's not, no, it's just, they just don't explain it.
Matt (18:59.726)
Yeah, yeah, no, no, no, never.
Never. Yeah, I mean, that's I think that's the real challenge with this movie is it just it doesn't know how to get to the second part. And so it kind of just railroads you into it, which is like I think the reason why we're complaining about this is unlike most movies we watch, we complain about because they're objectively terrible. Right. This is really good. And it just there's so much promise and we're frustrated that it didn't deliver on the promise.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (19:21.892)
Because they're horrible. Yeah, this is not horrible.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (19:28.096)
That's so exactly right. It's so it starts off and I'm like, I'm in. I dig it. Style actors. Everything is so good. And I love this director. So he's like, I'm good. It's going to be good. And then. It almost just stays surface level, you know what mean? It never gets to like a point where there's like a. They just it's like they committed like, this is going to be a silly romp. And not.
Matt (19:42.574)
Yeah
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (19:56.546)
have any deeper themes, even though they deal with like, again, like colon, colonialism, and like how bad that is. It's not like, it's still like a goofy ride as opposed to like having these moments of like, wow, that's heavy. You know, there's no, there's just all felt very, I can't put any better than surface level, like just having fun.
Matt (20:02.178)
Mm-hmm.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (20:22.158)
Which is fine if you, you know, if that's what the vibe you wanted, but it just felt like wasted potential.
Matt (20:28.438)
Yeah, I again, I think I'll read the book at some point because I'm very curious to see the depth that goes to Okay, one second. Okay. Here we go.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (20:32.696)
Read it now, on the air.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (20:37.976)
Buckle up, buckle up boys and girl. This is not an audio, this is not an audio book. This is just us listening to him reading in his head. Nope, in his head. Enjoy. This is ASMR book reading.
Matt (20:45.258)
Space colonist Mickey Barnes aka
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (20:55.908)
Beautiful. And.
Matt (20:56.302)
Thanks.
Yeah, same, same story. Same thing. But yeah, I'm just curious, because I feel like this book probably has a lot more space to really dive into all these things we're wishing for. And I don't think it's a bunch of nos fault. I just think it's so hard. Look at Harry Potter. Harry Potter did six books, seven books, eight movies. And now they're coming back with a TV series because A, like, money, but B, they miss so much shit in the books that they can do with the TV series. So.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (21:00.854)
Same thing, okay.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (21:17.219)
Yep.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (21:23.693)
Yep.
The only thing I know about the books that I read online is that I don't think people are as stupid. Like Stephen Yen's character was apparently like him and his girlfriend. What's her name?
Matt (21:45.662)
nasha
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (21:46.22)
Nash out were both like really good at their jobs. We're like he was like a great pilot. She was like a great and apparently the reason why Mickey kept losing money was because Stephen Yen's character wanted to become a professional athlete and Mickey kept betting against him and he just kept winning. So like I think they're like I don't think he was as scummy as he was in this which I don't think is a bad change. I'm just I think that the the tone of the
I don't want to speak to the tone of the book. don't know what I'm talking about. didn't read the book. So I'm going to stop talking.
Matt (22:19.021)
Yeah. Okay, let's you know, I think this is a good time for us to cycle off of talking about the book and let's speculate on what was in the book and stay with some fun questions. And, and maybe we'll learn something from there. I think the first thing I want to know, Tony Collette, who played Ilfi, as it says here, don't know how to pronounce it. It's Y L F I.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (22:28.196)
Okay, let's do it.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (22:41.7)
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Matt (22:47.01)
Yeah. She, she kept making sauce for everybody to the point where she clipped off the little like, like worm slugs tail. More like an armadillo, I guess, based on how the tail came out. Anyways, not important, but she clipped it off and she just put it in like a fucking magic bullet and whipped it up into sauce and they made everybody try her sauce. And she was obsessed with sauce.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (22:56.388)
Yeah, yeah, yeah
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (23:10.818)
Yeah.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (23:15.614)
I don't, listen, if you're that obsessed with sauce, you know you can't just grind up a raw ingredient that is a form of meat and expect it to taste good.
Matt (23:23.363)
Can't you?
Sir, you just wait until you come over to my house and I blend you up some steak sauce. Raw steak sauce.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (23:28.548)
boy. It's just steak. that's steak. It's not sauce for steak. It's steak sauce. I'm excited. It's so chewy. Yeah, I think. I don't again. This is another one of those things where I was like thought they were going to lead into something maybe like that she was.
Matt (23:37.666)
No, no, that's right. But like, why do we, it's so creepy. The mouth feel is just wow.
Why? Why she's so obsessed with that shit?
Matt (23:56.76)
Sure.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (23:57.912)
get like they're gonna kill the staff to make them into a type of food or s-
Matt (24:01.39)
poison. was a control thing like
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (24:04.716)
Yeah, or like it's gonna be like a Soylent Green type thing, you know? It's like the sauce is people. It's people! But it was just, she just liked sauce. And that is all.
Matt (24:07.338)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
Matt (24:17.966)
Yeah, if I had to guess, if I was gonna speculate, because that's what we do in this podcast, I think it's because the trip on the spaceship, the food, they had hard rations, right? And when it was rationed down, and it looked like slime. And so I think having a sweet sauce, like, know, like ketchup, putting ketchup on stuff, it really just makes it ketchup-y, right? So my guess would be that
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (24:23.17)
Yes, let's figure this out. Let's crack this code.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (24:44.046)
does make a big difference.
Matt (24:47.136)
She was trying to create space ketchup and without tomatoes, which made it hard. And so I guess if you don't have tomatoes or vegetables, you go with meat. Alien meat tails.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (24:50.756)
Hmm.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (25:00.118)
alien tails. Why go right for the tails? You gotta assume there's some sort of bone and cartilage in there. You know, that's not how you eat an animal.
Matt (25:08.598)
Yes, but tales, famously all tales regenerate once cut off.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (25:16.388)
This guy, this guy's sauces. This guy's sauces. knows. Um, yeah, I mean, you'd have to imagine. I mean, there's only so many reasons why someone would be obsessed with sauces. The most logical being she wanted different flavors too. And I'm not one to judge. I I'm a big sauce guy. I'm a big garlic aioli fan. I won't eat pizza without it.
Matt (25:17.806)
So yeah, I saw so hard.
Matt (25:35.63)
Sure. Further sludge.
Matt (25:42.668)
Yeah, every time we go out you order a gara kaioli doesn't matter what you're
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (25:46.018)
Yeah, get a side garlic aioli, get a side chipotle mayo, I get something. Because I don't like dry foods, even foods that are not dry can be wetter. Okay?
Matt (25:57.422)
He likes his food to be moist.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (25:59.556)
I like it to be, listen closely, moist. And I guess she just wanted to moisten up her slime because they were already eaten. That's the thing, she was already eaten slimy textures. You don't put a sauce on a jello.
Matt (26:08.891)
yeah.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (26:17.892)
I don't forget. We're going to get back to you listeners. We'll be right back. You're sure. Worst podcast ever.
Matt (26:21.582)
We have some tests to run.
Matt (26:29.934)
But like But like if I mean that's it right like it's gotta be a control thing cuz she was clearly like She was manipulating Mark Ruffalo's character and also his weird priest slash Butler his Alfred. I don't know what that guy's job was at first He was the butler and then he just became more and more like his cinematographer and as it was weird But like so she was trying to control him and so I thought maybe it was just like
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (26:42.584)
Who wasn't?
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (26:54.017)
Yeah.
Matt (27:00.162)
The sauce kept him dumb and impressionable.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (27:03.409)
You think these sauce had like a mind-altering effect?
Matt (27:08.022)
Yeah, like a reverse.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (27:10.798)
You know what? I just think I actually figured out what the actual thing was. Because they constantly talk about protein in the movie. Right? And not having enough like, like they're like, it'll burn calories and you'll need more protein. So yeah, because exactly. So I think she was trying to make a protein sauce that could be easily dispensed among her.
Matt (27:25.24)
Yeah, you can't have sex, et cetera.
Matt (27:32.59)
All right, reverse Viagra if you will.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (27:40.386)
Population white white why don't they don't just eat the animals instead of making them into sauce? It's lazy cooking I guess
Matt (27:47.746)
You don't understand Saucy, never will with that attitude. Moving on! Kai. Kai is in the movie. Kai is the other security woman. She is in the movie. She is the other security woman that is competing with Nascha for Mickey. I don't know. But this brings me to my actual question about Kai. Who Kai? Where Kai? What Kai? How Kai? Why Kai?
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (27:49.668)
He's a slut, yay!
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (27:58.852)
She is in the movie.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (28:16.354)
Yeah, I think the most important one is where Kai because they spend a good amount of time with Kai, making it seem like she's had some sort of arc. And then she is just missing for the final act of the movie. She is just gone.
Matt (28:29.496)
Mm-hmm.
Matt (28:33.112)
gonzo. She they play her like she might be gay and and have her and then and then she tries to hop on Mickey's penis and at
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (28:40.667)
definitely.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (28:46.2)
Which I gotta say, I love how Mickey's character, if you watch the movie, he's like the worst, most unconfident, biggest loser guy, but he still looks like Robert Pattinson, so he just gets all the ladies, and I'm like, I respect that. I respect that movie choice. It's like, yeah, he's a big loser, but he's still Robert Pattinson. He's still right, you know? It's not like the classic teen movie where they put the glasses on the girl and they're like.
Matt (28:58.892)
Women are just throwing themselves at him. Yeah.
Matt (29:05.208)
He's all right. He's still got it. He's still bringing it.
Matt (29:13.878)
Yeah. Yeah.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (29:13.98)
my gosh, she's so ugly. It's like, no, he could wear shitty clothes and talk like a loser and he'd still be getting girls left and right. Like, yeah.
Matt (29:21.766)
Especially on a spaceship was like it's like the office hot right? That's like you might you might think he's a dumb idiot But you spend enough time with them. It's like well his body's all right. It's coming around He does look a little bad man, but so she she one would assume she's into that girl that dies at the early beginning of the movie and then she throws herself at Mickey and Then near the end at the end they bring her back after she's been missing for 25 minutes straight She shows back up
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (29:26.784)
Yeah. You know what? He's not too bad. He's growing on me. He looks a little bit like Batman.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (29:41.091)
Yes.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (29:48.588)
Yes, and they bring back her girlfriend. With somehow, which also is not explained, they they cloned her. was it?
Matt (29:50.988)
and then bring your girlfriend for her. And so it's just like.
That's just no, it's just a different girl Yeah, cuz the first girl had blonde hair. I the other one was shaved Listen, it's not important. They threw they threw a lot of stuff at you It comes at you fast, but so she was back to being into girls, which is cool live your truth I don't care whatever but it's just so much throwaway stuff where actually like I don't I actually care about you so
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (30:00.516)
Oh, I thought it was the same girl. I thought they cloned her. Life comes at you fast.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (30:11.277)
Bye.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (30:18.454)
I don't. Yeah, I didn't care. I was caring about her because they were like. She's so sad about her dead girlfriend that she tries to. Seduce Mickey and again, cool. This is like Star Trek, you know, sex is, you know, a construct.
Matt (30:34.734)
Sure, as is tradition. Yeah.
Matt (30:41.512)
If, listen, if data can bang, anybody can bang.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (30:45.716)
Yeah, data can bang. He is fully operational. Yes, it is canon. Fully operational. Sit penis stun. So anyways, guy, yeah, but in the movie she's has this like what seems like a character arc where she's. You know.
Matt (30:47.842)
Yeah. Mr. Data fucks. It's canon.
Bye bye.
Matt (31:04.654)
So anyways, Kai.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (31:14.532)
Everybody like doesn't give a shit about Mickey it seems and then you know all of sudden because he's expendable and then they go to dinner and she's like they're like testing raw meat on him and he's puking and he gets really sick and she's like why what are you doing this your mother she's a person I'm like okay she's like starting to see him and then she tries to kiss him and then she tries to buy him kind of off the other girl like
Matt (31:23.266)
Fanny him.
Matt (31:42.766)
Yeah, yeah, yeah gone
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (31:43.108)
So he's not a person, he's just a sex object. And then she disappears. She shoots. Doesn't she do some shooting at some point?
Matt (31:52.526)
she shoots at a little worms because they crack that rock open and the slugs are inside of it. I was expecting something to be in there. I was expecting to be like something actually dangerous, not just baby slugs, whatever.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (31:54.371)
Yeah.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (32:02.404)
Yeah, I know that was kind of exciting. Again, one of those things where it's like setting up a mystery that doesn't pay off, which just seems to be reoccurring. So the big complaint is what your question, what is why is Kai? I think my guess is they had a plan for her that was cut, but I'm going to guess what the plan was. She was going to end up with one of the Mickey's.
Matt (32:09.206)
Yeah. Yeah. It's fine.
Matt (32:16.823)
Yeah.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (32:31.096)
And the other one wasn't gonna die?
Matt (32:31.148)
Okay. Yeah.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (32:35.33)
Because that's, you know, that's, or she was going to help with this revolution and help with the plan to stop them killing the aliens. Because that would have made sense because they needed help. know how there was like that girl who was like with the glasses who was like all of sudden at the end, like helping them and that agent guy who was like, you're under arrest for, being the bad guy that you've been the entire movie, Mr. President.
for some reason now we are sick of it. wonder if she was going to do that role. She should have done that role. She should have been the one to
Matt (33:12.46)
Well, I bet you, I bet you every one of those characters are actually big important people in the book, right? And so she's important. I think she has an arc. think she gets with one of the Mickeys or, know, or she doesn't get with one of the Mickeys ever because they needed a vehicle for Mickey to spill his brain about how he feels. I bet you she's just into girls the entire time. But people watching the movie would never accept a, you know, a gay relationship or a lesbian. Yeah.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (33:18.262)
Yes, yes.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (33:33.016)
And he just...
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (33:36.942)
Just a gay character till they have to kiss?
Matt (33:39.404)
Yeah, so they have to make sure that she's like, nah, she's not really fully gay. Yeah. Unless they're banging or trying to bang. Man and woman can't be friends, they need to try. She needs to try to bang him.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (33:42.382)
Why would a man talk to a woman unless they're banging to add a sex scene that's like the other producers?
This is the scene where Mickey opens up about his girlfriend. Okay, so they banging? No, they're just talking out in the... Okay, put it in their bedroom and make them bang.
Matt (33:58.967)
So like
Matt (34:03.072)
Yeah, but like what if she tries to bang him and he says no, so he's a good guy, but we still get the bang bang
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (34:07.246)
Ooooo!
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (34:11.662)
So you're talking woke now, I like it. We're gonna woke it up a little. It's not bad, cause she's trying to bang him.
Matt (34:14.604)
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, that's cool. That's that's what we all want to see right chicks throwing themselves at us. Fire it up. But I think you know, like, I think she matters. I think that she helps out. She helps them talk to the to the lizard queen or like, take down reflow from the inside. And I think she she's a big deal, right? I think she's probably like, like, it's it's Mickey.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (34:21.292)
I write it in, it in, me my check in the mail.
Matt (34:48.501)
Nasha and then her and, and, and, and Steven Young's character are like all, that's the crew. That's the main four that gets shit done.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (34:56.29)
Yeah, I feel like you're so right that now that you pointed out that these are probably all characters in the books that had a lot of them just doing missions together scenes of character development where they were in it a lot, but they weren't in the finale. they were like, gotta have them in the movie, but we're not gonna have a bunch of scenes of them just doing missions and developing them because we have no time.
Matt (35:17.238)
Yeah. Yeah.
I bet you Stephen Yen's character comes across as being like straight laced in his friend and it's a big reveal in the book that he like fucks him over somehow. But in the movie they're just like they play it as goofy so when it happens it's less taxing on their viewers to like have this information thrown on them. You don't want to be blindsided by it like a betrayal right?
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (35:29.476)
That's a guess.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (35:38.23)
Yeah, yeah.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (35:41.956)
Especially when you don't have to commit to the time of developing a friendship to have the betrayal. Because if it was just like, this is your friend and he betrayed you. You know, it's like, cares?
Matt (35:45.665)
It takes. Yeah.
Matt (35:51.352)
Patrall! Alright, well, I guess he's dead. I don't know.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (35:55.544)
So yeah, we'll just make him a scumbag from the beginning, so.
Matt (35:58.286)
Yeah, easier said than done. I have one more question for her before we get out of here. It's simple. It's easy. What was dream sequence with Mickey and Ylfi at the end? That was, I think, the biggest betrayal of the whole movie in the sense that it comes after the climax. Everything is done. Posts, yeah.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (36:02.755)
Yes.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (36:10.601)
man, I felt like I dreamed that.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (36:17.728)
It truly was. Yeah, it's over. was like a it was like an Avengers post credit scene almost, but it was pre credits. It was a pre credits post credit scene.
Matt (36:27.17)
Yeah, and your winnings like... us, hit us, like you're gonna hit us with some wisdom, it's gonna be fucking Thanos is coming next movie, like...
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (36:31.414)
Yeah, yeah, this is big. He like goes in and he sees Tony Collette and Tony Collette is making another ruffle and I thought they were gonna be like, she's also a clone and he's a clone and they're all clones and they've been on a ship for 2,000 years, you know, or something. They're all expendables, yeah, exactly. Or something and instead she drops a,
Matt (36:40.418)
making another ruffalo.
Matt (36:50.314)
Everybody is fucking Mickey 17's. Yeah.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (37:01.112)
drop of liquid on the floor and tells him a sauce, tells him to taste it. He does, questionably. And then she tries to print Mark Ruffalo. And then what happens? Is that it? Wasn't there something? She says some shit to him about him being worthless.
Matt (37:21.582)
He decides he's in control because it's just his dream. That's the end, basically.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (37:29.27)
fuck it's so lazy. I'm in control now, cause I'm dreaming. But what about when you're not dreaming? Well then I'm still not in control. Nothing's changed. god what a crazy dream. That was the, what a strange wet dream. Yeah like that it just, it was a classic like.
Matt (37:31.949)
Yeah.
Matt (37:39.872)
Matt (37:47.918)
Why am I hard? never mind.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (37:57.624)
felt like a reveal, but it was a dream sequence, which is just the worst. Cause cause he's like, you died. Cause they say she died. They're like, she, remember they say, they say something like she, she just killed herself after Mark Ruffalo's character died. And then she's still there. So you're like, some shit's going down.
Matt (38:26.166)
Yeah. Or not.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (38:28.834)
So my answer is to what that was was it was in my head cannon that happened and they are all clones of people and she killed that Mickey and made another clone without those memories. Boom.
Matt (38:51.832)
Similar to you except, everybody on the ship but Mickey is a clone. But they've imprinted his memory with thoughts of him being the only clone.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (38:55.863)
Okay.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (39:01.124)
Why? I don't know the justice of my twist endings. That's for video essayists to debate. Yeah, they can figure it out. Some fucking podcaster will figure this out. Yeah.
Matt (39:03.764)
I know, that's why, I don't have to justify my answer to you.
Matt (39:11.47)
That's some nerd on YouTube answers for you.
I'm just, I create, I create, I don't have to explain my creations.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (39:20.964)
the JJ Abrams method of writing. Create a big mystery and then read the comments on what people's answers are and just cherry pick the best ones. Oh yeah, let's go with that one. It's purgatory.
Matt (39:24.13)
Let's play.
Yeah, that one sounds great. I like that one.
And as soon as you catch up to me and you won't ask me like, what are you doing? It's I lens flare and I wipe your brain.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (39:39.36)
Yeah, yeah, like, be, it might be gun. Perfect. And we're out. Cut to black.
Matt (39:41.486)
Yeah, exactly.
Cut to black, we're done. alrighty, um, hey, normally we do a review at the end of this, but I think let's slightly change it. How, if someone listened to this and is gonna explain to their friends why they should see Mickey 17 or shouldn't, and they don't know because they're confused about the movie, can you help them?
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (40:05.507)
Yes.
Yes. I would say, hello friendo.
Do you like sci-fi films?
Matt (40:19.426)
Me like sci-fi.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (40:21.112)
Do you like... Goofy?
Matt (40:25.09)
me like Goofy.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (40:27.076)
You like goofy sci-fi films? We see Mickey 17. You like. And scene. Yeah, but I like really, I think that's all you like. I think if I went into this movie and expecting it to not be serious at all. I would have probably enjoyed it more. It was it was.
Matt (40:29.454)
Me like goofy sci-fi films.
me like Mickey 17.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (40:56.29)
It was the hope. Hope is the greatest destroyer.
Matt (40:58.243)
It was.
You ever watch Wag the Dog? It's an old, older film. It's old because I'm old. Anyways, it's, yeah, it's like, not De Niro, Dustin Hoffman. the, yeah, the basic premise is like he is a director who created, he created a fake war to bring home a hero and the political thing. And like, you know, it goes through the story of like he did this great thing, he made the perfect story and he never can take credit for it because no one can know he ever did it.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (41:03.298)
No.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (41:07.5)
I reckon it's the name.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (41:11.585)
Al Pacino?
The fake movie?
Fake war? Yeah, yeah.
Matt (41:30.712)
But it's it's satirical about, you know, America's thoughts on war and how they build heroes and stuff up. But it's like, it's meant to be satirical and funny all the way through it. But this movie feels like it got caught between being serious sci-fi and satirical. And it tries to blend them and it's it's like blending what's two things that shouldn't blend together. I don't know, meat as a sauce.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (41:34.955)
Yeah, yeah.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (41:44.641)
Yeah.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (41:52.58)
Yeah, meat and blenders. when you hear sci-fi and satire, for me, my brain goes to Starship Troopers and it goes, man, I'm gonna love this movie. But Starship Troopers was good because it was satire played dead straight. And if this movie did that, I would like it way more. But it's almost like everyone in the movie is in on the joke. Where that doesn't work in my opinion.
Matt (41:55.373)
Yeah.
Matt (42:02.36)
Yep, yep, yes.
Matt (42:09.998)
Great.
Yeah. Yeah.
Matt (42:19.192)
Yes.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (42:22.292)
It works when they feel like the characters in the movie are nodding on the joke. Like they feel like they're making like a true sci-fi movie, but it's ridiculous themes and messages that are actually like wrong. Right? Like meat sauce. So, sorry, let me try this again. Hello, friendo. Do you like meat sauce?
Matt (42:38.178)
like meat sauce.
Matt (42:44.738)
Hello.
Mmm, me no understand meat sauce.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (42:49.764)
Do you like raw meat blended?
Matt (42:54.316)
Hmm, me try once, me go hospital.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (42:57.924)
You know like Mickey 17. And scene. Alright, I think that was accurate. Perfect.
Matt (43:01.115)
okay, me no watch.
same.
Great job. All right. Yeah. Thank you. That consists of our short, quick, in-movie flight review of Mickey 17. If you return next week, we will probably have watched The Electric State. If not, I will tell Spencer about the Minecraft movie. He has not seen it. I have. So that'll go brilliantly for all of us.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (43:22.318)
Yes.
boy.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (43:28.74)
Out of Mickey 17, what would you give it?
Matt (43:32.382)
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (43:33.006)
Would you give it like a Mickey nine? Hello friend.
Matt (43:35.16)
Hello friend.
You like Jack Black?
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (43:40.141)
I like Jack Black.
Matt (43:41.716)
You like Jason Momoa?
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (43:43.648)
I like Jason Momoa.
Matt (43:45.323)
You like no plot?
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (43:48.279)
I like no plot.
Matt (43:50.882)
You like Minecraft.
Spencer 9 (the Dumb One) (43:52.868)
I like Minecraft. And scene! Perfect. Well, I'm glad I'm I'm gonna go see Minecraft. Me like Minecraft. Alright. Bye!
Matt (43:54.912)
Yeah. And scene. You're welcome everybody. Fantastic. All right. We will see you all next week. Bye.