Matt (00:00.601)
Hello and welcome to popcorn and plot holes where we watch movies from the 80s for reasons that...

Luciano (00:04.654)
Yeah, apparently. Some of us more than others.

Spencer (00:08.067)
Because we're old!

Matt (00:10.691)
You're all old.

Matt (00:16.097)
Yes, the gory days where you weren't born.

Spencer (00:16.953)
eight years before I was born. Truly the greatest of times.

Luciano (00:18.665)
Yeah.

Chris (00:19.799)
Remember the time before I was conceived?

Matt (00:23.351)
Welcome to the final installment of Re-Education Month where Spencer has suggested that we should watch a movie that came out before he came out to re-educate you with.

Spencer (00:33.241)
And truly this is the most educated of all the educatings that we have been re-educating.

Chris (00:41.229)
No, but can t-

Luciano (00:42.379)
Yeah, no.

Matt (00:42.457)
We watched the thing, 1982, original, not a remake from 2011, not a remake from, was it like 2022? This is just 2011, they haven't tried to remake it since. I'm actually shocked.

Spencer (00:47.702)
What thing?

Luciano (00:51.726)
2011, 2011. Yeah, I don't think so.

Spencer (00:55.383)
Yeah, no. And the remake from 2020, you mean the original.

Chris (00:55.961)
Hmm.

Matt (01:00.193)
Well, I mean, I'm not talking about like the thing from another world, like that isn't the same movie, that's just inspiration, right?

Spencer (01:06.049)
No, this is a remake. The Thing is a remake of The Thing from the Otherworld, which is based on the book Who Goes There.

Luciano (01:07.628)
Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Matt (01:07.929)
What, the thing? Yeah, I guess you're fair, but like... Yeah, but it's like... He's on a remake so much as it's like... reimagining, if you will.

Spencer (01:21.633)
Yeah, I guess, but it's like actually says like based on that movie

Matt (01:25.207)
Sure. mean, they do a lot of times, like based on real events, and the only real event was like the dog licked a man's face and the rest of us all just made up shit, right? Like, it's all relative to the context. Anyways.

Luciano (01:32.137)
Hahaha!

Spencer (01:34.467)
This this is this movie is based on real events. There was a dog in the Arctic at one point. And I believe it was a husky.

Matt (01:40.739)
The dog looks like a wolf.

Luciano (01:40.982)
And it was a Husky. Yeah.

Chris (01:42.475)
It was the littlest hobo. Okay.

Matt (01:45.099)
Delilus Holwell was a German Shepherd. Please get your facts straight. Well, Delilus Holwell does.

Chris (01:48.303)
I give a fuck.

There's a voice. He's calling me. Yes it is. Yes it is.

Matt (01:54.361)
That's not even the littlest hobo song. No. No, it's maybe tomorrow. I don't want to know about it. This is the thing podcast is not the littlest hobo podcast.

Spencer (01:54.699)
I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Is this some old people shit?

Luciano (01:55.306)
Yeah, why are you singing?

Chris (02:00.409)
There's more of it.

Re-education month.

Spencer (02:06.938)
That's a damn shame.

Matt (02:08.057)
I said, well, when we do the next reeducation month, it'll be just a little as hopeful episodes to the end of time.

Chris (02:14.511)
Correct.

Spencer (02:14.745)
Four weeks in a row.

Luciano (02:15.672)
Now we can do like, tin tin and fucking...

Matt (02:19.232)
No, we're not doing that racist son of a bitch.

Chris (02:20.751)
Read all about it.

Luciano (02:23.532)
Lassie, yeah. Old Yeller, no, I'm... Old Yeller, bruh, bruh. no.

Matt (02:23.573)
No. That racist old yeller. Brop brop. Focus the thing. We've watched.

Chris (02:31.491)
Give it

Matt (02:33.593)
Brup brup, 1982's The Thing. And you know, I really had to think about the vehicle. We had an honest to God discussion in our What's Up chat that we have about whose vehicle it was. Keith David's vehicle, Wilford Brimley's vehicle. Someone suggested the Charles Hallahan vehicle. But having looked into this further, I think it might be the Adrian Barbeau vehicle.

Luciano (02:46.178)
No. Maybe?

Spencer (02:48.336)
Yes.

Luciano (02:50.604)
That's the correct one.

Luciano (02:59.406)
Woo!

Spencer (03:01.047)
I agree.

Chris (03:01.167)
Show your work.

Matt (03:01.197)
So she is the voice of the computer that McCready loses the chess, but she is like an iconic sci-fi fantasy horror actor. She was in several John Carpenter movies. Did she marry John Carpenter or was she? I honestly think she may have. Well, cause like she was like the main woman in Escape from New York. She was Brain's girlfriend.

Luciano (03:04.415)
I stand corrected.

Spencer (03:04.451)
Hahaha.

Luciano (03:11.714)
Okay.

Luciano (03:15.98)
I was gonna say is she married to him? Is that this sounds like a Milla Jovovich situation

Chris (03:17.656)
Yooo!

Luciano (03:27.886)
another Kurt Russell movie.

Matt (03:33.173)
She was once married to John Carpenter. So that was your Agent Barbeau minutes here on The Thing podcast. If done again. Yeah, you and all those Hobo fans get the fuck out. We're talking about The Thing from here on out. All right. The Thing. We start, like always, something positive and we are going to leave Spencer to the end because it's his movie. So let's go with Luciano.

Spencer (03:39.735)
Thanks for tuning in, guys. For those of you that came for that, you can leave now. Yeah, we did it, okay?

Luciano (03:40.032)
Yeah.

Luciano (04:01.304)
Hmm, why is my favorite thing about this movie?

Matt (04:05.441)
Hi-yo, don't do that again.

Luciano (04:07.726)
It wasn't on purpose, but now I'm going to do it all the time. I think it was one of very first scenes when Kurt Russell loses the chess match to the computer and dumps like his bourbon or whatever that was into the computer. They're fucking cheater. I just laughed so hard because I was...

Spencer (04:25.987)
What is this whole episode about the fucking computer? He says, cheating bitch.

Matt (04:28.089)
Hahaha!

Luciano (04:37.154)
Familiar or aware of this movie for a long time and I watched bits and pieces of it But I don't think I have ever sit down and watched it So I had never seen that scene and it gave me a good laugh. So I'm gonna pick that

Spencer (04:47.553)
It's foreshadowing.

Luciano (04:49.11)
It is.

Spencer (04:51.213)
He's an alcoholic.

Luciano (04:52.352)
Yeah.

Chris (04:53.034)
Yeah

Matt (04:53.859)
Basically, the shadowing. Chris, what are you coming up with?

Chris (04:57.987)
Yeah, when the dude who gets shot in the leg and gets patched up, he, Nolz, the chef dude, he's playing Stevie Wonder's Superstition in the kitchen. And then over the PA, one guy's like, turn it off, I'm trying to sleep, I got shot today. And then Nolz is like, yeah, of course, of course. Then he rollerblades back, he's like, ehh. And he misses, intentionally misses the volume and keeps on doing his thing. I'm like.

Luciano (05:17.45)
You

Luciano (05:23.646)
The, yeah, yeah.

Chris (05:27.563)
Yeah, fuck him. Keep doing your thing.

Luciano (05:29.622)
Yeah.

Spencer (05:31.014)
And that song is fitting because everyone was very stitious.

Chris (05:34.6)
Exactly. Very apropos if you were...

Matt (05:40.089)
You could say that, I gotta say the favorite part of this movie is like, I liked how simple it was, but how easy it was to like, get superstitious and freaked out. it was, it's the perfect level of like, creep you out. Yeah, and one of the things it did that was really interesting to me, because I've watched it, but I've never watched it all in a row. So like, I missed this, but it's like,

Spencer (06:07.229)
What was this movie on like fucking TBS every fucking other day and you guys were just constantly seeing pieces of it?

Chris (06:09.423)
CBS.

Chris (06:13.601)
I never saw it on TV. Like it never crossed my path. And this movie, like, if I knew what it was, it just scared me. Like I knew it would, but it never crossed my path.

Luciano (06:14.986)
For me it was like that.

Spencer (06:26.297)
Sorry to interrupt, Matt, please finish.

Matt (06:27.585)
No, no, it's fine. I just want to satisfy your curiosity. But yeah, so and the thing it did, the thing I was talking about is like...

Spencer (06:35.769)
you

Matt (06:37.439)
Lesser movies would be really mysterious with the thing and have you creeping around behind the scenes and not let the actual characters see it. But it's pretty aggressive of being like, hey, this thing is here and it's fucked up. And it's like, it's the dog. Look at this weird dog thing that's sitting in the pen just shitting all over things.

Luciano (06:53.495)
Yeah.

It's not like a little bit or like in the dark it's like goes like from zero to a hundred immediately. Yeah

Spencer (07:03.097)
And as I say in the movie, it's weird and it's pissed.

Luciano (07:06.141)
Yeah.

Matt (07:06.478)
Yeah, basically, right? So the fact, to me, that's the best part of the movie is like, it's, they know it's there, they all see it, they all know a thing exists. It's not like one guy would be like, I swear I saw it. It's like, they all fucking saw it.

Spencer (07:08.119)
Weird, it's pissed off.

Spencer (07:16.729)
Yeah, that's such a trope they would probably do in every other version of this. One guy would see it and they'd be like, you're crazy, Jim's right here, he's fine. Hi, I'm Jim.

Matt (07:20.375)
Yeah. And I think it's brilliant.

Luciano (07:21.953)
Yeah.

Matt (07:24.973)
Yeah. Yeah. I.

Luciano (07:28.738)
Meanwhile in this movie, just like the dead dog just bursts open and like a million tentacles come out and like it climbs to the ceiling and spits on another dog. Like what the fuck?

Matt (07:36.897)
Right? Or like, Norris' dead corpse, he wasn't dead, like, Norris' corpse is like, I'm gonna chop your hands off, Bite.

Luciano (07:45.324)
But yeah, no, I'm just gonna I'm gonna form like a torso sized mouth and bite your napkin arms off like this is great

Spencer (07:54.561)
Yes, fantastic. mean, that leads that leads right into my favorite part, which was the absolutely incredible special effects.

Matt (07:57.357)
So that's,

Luciano (08:06.241)
no.

Matt (08:06.86)
You're high.

Spencer (08:08.419)
This movie famously is known for the greatest use of practical effects of all time. It is known. And there's not one, there's no CGI in this movie, except for that there's like, I think there's claymation in the finale.

Luciano (08:21.162)
there's CGI in this movie when the fucking spaceship is arriving at the beginning. It was a... Of course, I was like, what the fuck was that when I saw it?

Chris (08:25.342)
In the beginning, I was wondering about that.

Spencer (08:26.833)
That honestly that's that's probably my least favorite part of the movie. It is so unnecessary It's like why do they need to show but

Chris (08:33.241)
It's the setup.

Matt (08:34.201)
So first of all, it's 1982, there's no CGI. Like Star Wars didn't use any CGI, right? And you can notice in, I notice this, in the first scenes where you have the helicopter show up and with the spaceship, one of the things they did, I learned this, I got deep in how they made Star Wars, like those Disney specials. And a lot of what happens is for landscapes and things where they wanted to do motion, the guys would paint, they'd paint the landscape.

Spencer (08:37.729)
Yeah, yeah, it's like props.

Luciano (08:46.402)
Yeah.

Matt (09:00.919)
someone could go ahead and paint the whole thing and then that way they could fly a spaceship in front of it and get the whole scene they may want to do it, Yeah, it's all in camera so they can get it all to look good. So you can see they did that at the beginning with like the alien spaceship flying around. It like they just painted the background of Earth and the alien spaceship going boop, boop, boop, boop.

Spencer (09:07.353)
It's all in camera.

Spencer (09:19.019)
Even the, even the opening of the thing font is, is there actually melt like burning a plastic bag that melts away to show the, that's all the bad like vibe and look of that. It's just like, gets me going. It's just so, so cool. but yeah, the effects of this movie is just, it's one of a kind. just, I don't, it just stands out. It's like, just so you could just tell there's so much fucking work put into this.

Luciano (09:19.934)
It's so shitty.

Matt (09:21.241)
Yeah, that's like right.

Chris (09:28.141)
Yeah, that was pretty cool.

Luciano (09:29.738)
It is pretty cool, yeah.

Chris (09:35.021)
It's real.

Spencer (09:48.215)
the effects of this movie. just put so much fucking effort into this. It's like, I think the guy who did the effects was like 22 and it was like one of his first things and he's just like, he was just like obsessed over making it like crazy detailed and it's fucking awesome. I love it. It's so gross and like tactile.

Chris (09:56.559)
Mmm.

Matt (10:08.503)
I this is kind of, mean, we've done two John Carpenter movies in this iteration of the podcast, Halloween and this movie. there, know, John Carpenter has so many iconic movies that kind of litter the movie scape. Okay. Yeah. But like, so he is one of those, you know, it's funny to hear, like he does all the.

Luciano (10:25.4)
Yeah, like vampires.

Spencer (10:30.243)
Barbie.

Matt (10:36.761)
the movie, like he did all the soundtracking for Halloween, right? Like he's just a guy who's like, I'm gonna make a movie and I'm gonna do it this way. And I'm gonna just cut the corners where I can. And so I'm not surprised he had a special effect to others like that did all this work. And, and, you know, we're so dedicated to the craft and getting it right. And like, you know, I was reading up about it, like this movie bombed at the box office, partially because it was so dystopian for the 1980s. And, they, you know, I think it came with, I don't know if it's the same weekend or within like a couple of weeks of like ET.

Spencer (10:59.929)
Thank

Spencer (11:06.106)
Yeah, Worst possible timing.

Luciano (11:06.643)
mean, Danny got fucked in the ass.

Chris (11:06.831)
Ha ha ha ha ha ha

Matt (11:06.841)
So it's yeah, so it's like aliens. One is a friendly alien who will give you Reese's Pieces and make you feel like a child again. And the other one is eating your friends. Yeah, right?

Spencer (11:16.877)
Make you fly!

Luciano (11:17.996)
And the other one is ET.

Spencer (11:21.249)
Yeah, that was not a good time to come out.

Chris (11:23.747)
You can also tell that this movie certainly had an impact on other inspired other similar genre stuff. I just now connected the dot between this, it was my first time seeing the thing. And then I'm in Canada, so growing up we had TV shows like Are You Afraid of the Dark? And I think there's certain

Luciano (11:26.156)
Yeah.

Chris (11:51.297)
Treatments and and nods to some of the effects that took place in that and it felt like literally like it just occurred to me now So that's that's interesting

Luciano (12:00.792)
I'll say that especially when they show like the first time when they go to the other bass and they bring the dude that was like whatever like deformed and he's so grotesque it's so off-putting it's like Jesus Christ what the fuck I think that one is the worst like that first one is maybe because of the surprise effect it's like it's the most disturbing one no no no

Matt (12:13.835)
Yep. Yep.

Spencer (12:19.769)
Yeah, it's like you don't even know what you're looking at.

Spencer (12:25.975)
The dog one.

Luciano (12:27.95)
the guy that is dead that they bring from one base to the other. But they open it, it's like fuming and people are... Yeah, it's so grotesque, yeah. Yes! let's bring this mutated garbage to our base. Smelly mutated monster. Yeah.

Spencer (12:32.754)
yeah, and they're like, like the two the two headed one. It has the face that's like separating.

Chris (12:34.745)
Yeah

Matt (12:37.88)
Yeah.

Chris (12:37.967)
Wow.

Spencer (12:43.149)
Like artistically

Chris (12:48.687)
and study it!

Chris (12:52.651)
Also, let's put our hands in it with no gloves.

Spencer (12:52.889)
Every time I see that scene, I'm like, yeah, well, there's another scene, actually, the scene where Blair is talking about how it's so like can clone people and he's showing the corpse and he's touching it with his pencil and then he puts his pencil to his mouth and.

Luciano (13:03.992)
Yeah.

Luciano (13:07.81)
In his mouth. Yeah, I was so it was so like I was like stop it. What are you doing?

Spencer (13:12.663)
Yeah, a lot of people think that that's the scene where he start like gets infected.

Luciano (13:17.174)
Maybe.

Matt (13:18.007)
So two things here. One, it's gross. It's not wrong because there's a thing about taking over people's bodies. It's wrong because it's gross effluence of a creature in your mouth.

Chris (13:18.447)
Of course he had to!

Spencer (13:30.527)
Yeah, just common sense. Like, that's gross.

Luciano (13:30.593)
Yeah.

Yeah, he was like, his poking is like, hmm, I wonder. Like, what the fuck are you doing?

Matt (13:34.541)
Yeah.

Spencer (13:37.913)
You see this this putt this puss sack here if I just prod it it'll explode all over see that

Chris (13:40.783)
Tastes like chicken!

Luciano (13:44.75)
Yeah, wait a minute, let me let me poke this pus-fueled garbage with my lollipop and then what the fuck

Spencer (13:54.969)
What do mean? I always use my lollipop to point at things. That's my thing!

Chris (13:58.115)
You know, scientifically proven.

Matt (14:00.537)
So Spencer, I do have to ask about the special effects because I think there's like, to me there's two levels of special effects. There's one that's like the gore and the depiction of the aliens and the hybrids and stuff. And then there's these scenes where we have the mouth open and chop off someone's hands. And where the alien split open and eat Windows's face. And it's one of those things where it's like,

Spencer (14:12.514)
Yes.

Spencer (14:24.451)
Fantastic.

Matt (14:29.225)
I can sit back and I can definitely appreciate the skill level that went into it because I watched movies from from the 80s to now but it is also like Disconnecting from the movie because it's just like having seen other special effects where they could do that in a more realistic way You can't help your brain from on Disconnecting and being like, that's obviously fake. So it's like it's hard to Does that dissidence cognitive dissonance for like people watching this for the first time now to like

Luciano (14:47.886)
Yeah.

Matt (14:57.899)
take it seriously and get that the level of creep they should you know almost get from the movie like it's like who's the thing and then when you see the thing split open and eat a guy's head it's like all right that's not that

Luciano (15:09.39)
But to me, there's no scene that represents this more than the torso, like Norris' torso turning into a huge mouth. Because of all the way that it happened with the guy, the doctor guy, he's not just like trying to restore it, he's like stabbing him with the pads. And on the second or whatever third time, it just caves in, but it doesn't cave in in a way that makes sense. It's just like, of course, this was just made by, I don't know.

Matt (15:13.433)
Okay.

Luciano (15:39.608)
sugar. then I paused it because it was laughing so hard. I paused it and the teeth look made of napkins and the arms look made of papier-mache. It's rough.

Chris (15:40.623)
I'm Roger, bitch. And I'm Norris.

Matt (15:53.177)
But it's funny because, well that one was probably the roughest one, at the same point in time, Norris's head growing spider legs and crawling away, super creepy and super effective. So it's like it's just like...

Luciano (16:01.45)
yeah it's pretty cool actually and yeah the same with the dog the dog growing all of those tentacles like it was super creepy

Spencer (16:06.026)
That scene.

Chris (16:09.199)
Yeah.

Spencer (16:09.849)
That's incredible. Yeah, that's incredible work with the head is falling off the back of the table, you know, and it's sliding down and it's like the neck is like all stretched that that scene like looks so good. I mean, it's just it's all a lot of it's lighting to like the scenes that are let are lit. But like I if this podcast had listeners, we'd be getting hate. You too would be getting hate mail by anyone because this movie is like so.

Luciano (16:16.588)
Yeah. Yeah.

Luciano (16:23.682)
Yeah, and...

Luciano (16:33.103)
Hahaha!

Spencer (16:38.435)
I just watched a video on this movie where it's like the thing, the greatest, the peak of a cinema's effects industry. And it's like literally goes through like all the reasons why it's like the best.

Luciano (16:46.787)
I, okay. okay, all right, yeah.

Matt (16:48.727)
Yeah. This is like people being like the only way to listen to music is on record. It's it's vinyl. You're the fucking vinyl guy right now. Yeah.

Spencer (16:54.963)
on vinyl. It's on vinyl. You don't say records.

Luciano (16:55.082)
Yeah, yeah, that's the same thing. That is exactly the same thing. The worst part is

Chris (16:57.551)
audio file.

Spencer (17:01.121)
Listen, that video had 900 billion views and they all said agree, okay?

Luciano (17:04.11)
The the the worst thing not the worst thing the funniest thing about that scene with the head with like Narcissus had like oozing over and like that's super creepy and then like it immediately grows like spider legs and it like slowly creeps out and I was like, fuck it's gonna go away and then everybody it's like almost a scene from a comedy. They always stop and they turn and the thing turns and goes shit. I get so weird. It's so that's all it was like.

Spencer (17:26.04)
Yeah.

Matt (17:26.253)
Yeah.

Spencer (17:30.393)
And then.

Spencer (17:34.105)
And the guy says, you gotta be fucking kidding me. Which is such a genuine, like exactly what I would be saying.

Luciano (17:37.003)
Yeah.

Matt (17:37.913)
Yeah

Luciano (17:41.004)
Yeah, it's whiplash almost at that point because like it's funny that scene is funny at the end

Matt (17:42.231)
It is, it's, that's, again, that goes back.

Well, that's what goes back to my like, the movie is very realistic, right? Because it doesn't try to like, movies have this tendency to be like, we got it's got to be big and important. And like, you know, the head escapes so can come back to roost another day. And this is just like, no, man, like there's eight guys in here or whatever, of course, they saw it. Someone's going to see it. And of course, just like what the fuck is happening, right?

Luciano (17:55.138)
Yeah.

Luciano (18:02.089)
Somebody's gonna notice!

Yeah!

Spencer (18:06.553)
Did you have a question on the effects? Did you guys notice on the blood test scene? Did you notice Kurt Russell's hand?

Luciano (18:15.136)
Not specifically why.

Spencer (18:16.185)
So this is why it's such good filmmaking, because it's like, I know that scene obviously very well. And if you watch that scene, it is so obvious that his hand is like a plastic mold, but only on the shot where it pops out. Every other scene is his real hand. right before, when it cuts to him being like, well, we'll see, childs. He's like, I'm looking forward to doing you next. And it cuts to him and he's like, and his hand looks like totally latex, completely. But everyone's looking at the needle, which is why I was curious if you guys noticed, like,

Matt (18:16.237)
No.

Matt (18:26.177)
Okay.

Chris (18:26.415)
Uh-huh.

Luciano (18:26.67)
Right, right.

Matt (18:30.744)
Yeah.

Luciano (18:40.375)
Hahaha!

Of course, yeah. No, not at all.

Matt (18:45.421)
Yep, no.

Spencer (18:45.889)
They touch it and it shoots out and it's like, and for some reason makes it annoying.

Chris (18:49.071)
it's the same hand they used in the early 2000s for iPhone.

Luciano (18:49.336)
Yeah.

Matt (18:50.201)
haha

Luciano (18:55.721)
no.

Spencer (18:56.835)
couldn't get human hands? No? They didn't have hands back then?

Luciano (19:01.998)
Do know how expensive human hands are?

Chris (19:04.919)
Nah, in the early 2000s, nah.

Matt (19:07.065)
Way too expensive for hands in the 2000s. Spencer? Okay.

Spencer (19:09.849)
But the last thing I'll say about effects before we move on is just because they made this the remake, they're not the sequel, it's actually prequel, the 2011 one. Apparently they did the whole movie with practical effects like the thing, because it's one of the things that people love most. And the studio, which is probably a bunch of Luciano's and Matt's, went in there and said, it looks too 80s, redo it all with CGI.

Luciano (19:19.427)
Yeah.

Luciano (19:36.216)
But that's not, it's like a misunderstanding of your target audience because the people who are gonna wanna see that the most are the ones who like it. Yeah, for sure, sure, yeah.

Spencer (19:43.573)
Yeah, are the people fucking love this movie? Yeah. But and then they did it in the CGI looks horrible. If you watch it, it's like it looks really it's not even like the fact that it's a bad CGI for a lot of it. And it's it's just. No, and it's just it's so sad because they have like behind the scenes shots of them making it with the practical in the prequel in the prequel, they showed that how that two headed guy, the one that they find burned.

Matt (19:54.265)
Well, I mean, that's the thing, right? 2011 is not the heyday of CGI.

Luciano (19:55.842)
Yeah.

Luciano (20:03.096)
Right.

Chris (20:03.549)
no.

Luciano (20:08.814)
cool.

Spencer (20:09.741)
They show how he got like that and they had the practical effect of that thing walking down like the like the room. It looks so sick. And then the real movie one looks like a fucking scorpion king. And that's the moon. For some reason, they say that in the movie, they added that to.

Luciano (20:21.42)
You

Chris (20:21.592)
Son of a...

Matt (20:23.481)
That makes sense,

Luciano (20:28.259)
No.

Luciano (20:31.672)
I was actually recently talking about like effects and CGI. watching, rewatching the scene in Terminator one when like Arnie's external like body like burns off and it's just him as a robot and him going after, it's the going after Sarah. You think in your head, that scene was cool. If you watch it now, you go like, my God, what the fuck?

Spencer (20:54.305)
Yeah.

Especially when he says Sarah Connor. Anaksudamun! Stafford really took me out of it. Anaksudamun!

Luciano (21:00.75)
Yeah, yeah, that's what that was the first that was the first time they said yeah anyway anyway

Matt (21:01.805)
hahahaha

Matt (21:06.989)
haha

Matt (21:11.065)
Spencer, did want to ask.

How should I put this? That's fair and even and not misleading in any way. No, I would never do that. Spencer, chose the thing, 1982 is the thing. Explain yourself, why?

Spencer (21:19.96)
we have it.

Chris (21:19.961)
Here it comes.

Luciano (21:20.32)
Accusatory and aggressive no, no no no, please stop

Spencer (21:22.617)
I have an open book, okay listen, I have an open book here people. Got nothing to hide, okay?

Spencer (21:33.347)
What a nasty question. What you are a nasty person. Okay, no. I, I picked this movie, because in my opinion, which is the right opinion, just preface, it's one of the most perfect movies out there. I think that it accomplishes everything that it tries to do. And it's such a unique movie with such a vibe is so fucking cool.

Matt (21:47.385)
Mm-hmm.

Spencer (22:02.029)
I just love the, the, the paranoia and the isolation vibe of like the middle of like Arctic and it's all filmed like on location. And it's just like, it's, it's like nothing's been, I've never seen anything like it before or after, you know, it's just one of a kind. my favorite thing about the movie other than the special effects, obviously that I love is the, the not knowing. Like you can like rewatch this movie so many times because there's so many details and hints.

Luciano (22:26.305)
Yeah.

Spencer (22:31.019)
out of like who's the thing who's not the thing. And it's like what it's just like it gives us this rewatch ability of like, why did he say that? Why did he say that? You know, like, apparently, John Carpenter, we made the movie, there was like a big delay while they're filming because of weather. And during that time, he just like really hammered out the script and the storyline to be like, really anally perfect. I repeat, anally perfect. You can you can clip that.

Luciano (22:56.138)
It's the only way to be. It's only way to be. It's on the box. It's a tagline. It's the tagline. The thing. Ain't really perfect.

Matt (22:57.516)
on the box.

Spencer (22:58.585)
It's on the box, anally perfect.

Spencer (23:06.177)
It came from another world. And it's anally perfect. So yeah, I just love like, love all of that. And I think all the acting is, you know, is great. And the dialogue is great. It all feels like they're all just real people, you know, it's one of those things that you know, like older movies were able to get really well that newer movies just can't seem to do where all the side characters seem like real people. You know, where it's like, I don't know if

Luciano (23:09.132)
Hahaha!

Chris (23:10.031)
Bum bum. Bum bum.

Luciano (23:23.586)
That's true.

Chris (23:33.049)
They give them airtime in a way that's not too much. It's just.

Luciano (23:35.852)
It's also not still like the dialogue isn't stilted, right?

Spencer (23:36.12)
Yeah,

Yeah, it's like it's like like you said, the scene where he like turns up the music and ignore. He's like, I just got fucking shot today. It's like in a like in a new movie, they wouldn't even give them that line. And if they did, it be like, I just can't wait to see my wife and kids back home. You know, it'd be like some like super cliched like bullshit line.

Chris (23:52.109)
Yeah.

Luciano (23:52.642)
yeah.

Matt (23:54.389)
Movies have this problem now in many ways of everything's got to be an event or a thing. so you just can't tell a story. It's got to be like, this crazy thing happened. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's like, because you think of a McCready, right? McCready is just a pilot, just a dude who has it with his sombrero, apparently.

Luciano (24:04.722)
And you can't just put a person, right? It has to be a character, right? It's like, yeah, yeah.

Spencer (24:10.081)
Yeah, that has a purpose to the story. It's gonna be a tight 90 minutes.

Luciano (24:18.285)
Yeah.

Spencer (24:18.679)
With a fucking sombrero. For some reason.

Matt (24:22.433)
And he has his own private cabin, like otherwise he's just a dude who's just like put in a situation, right? It's like one of the reasons why Die Hard is so beloved is she's just a generic cop put in a crazy situation. Right. But as we as we went forward, as we went forward into the 90s action hero saga, everybody became a superhero and we lost like the the relatability of the characters.

Luciano (24:32.588)
Yeah, it's not like the super cop who like can shoot three bazookas at the same time

Spencer (24:38.46)
But that's what he becomes.

Luciano (24:47.342)
Yeah.

which can also be done well, but like it's harder I think to.

Matt (24:54.157)
Well, it's fine if you want to be a superhero, but like, you know...

Spencer (24:55.992)
Yeah.

Luciano (24:56.054)
No, but I mean, you can have like, it's not the problem with, you know, someone being exceptional. The problem is when not only all of the protagonists have to be exceptional, but also everything they do and everything they say and everyone they talk to has to be like, Hey, remember, there's a story going on. have to, right.

Spencer (25:12.545)
Yeah, it's like written. It's written by committee, right? Versus like having like conversations going on that are like almost feel improv or like an actual real conversation.

Luciano (25:15.885)
Yeah.

Luciano (25:21.568)
Or something that would actually happen that doesn't have anything to do with the plot. the music thing that Chris mentioned is a perfect... Like it doesn't do anything. All that it does is show us that they've been there a long time and they get on each other's nerves. Like that, and that's all that it has to do, right? Yeah.

Chris (25:30.915)
In the kitchen? Yeah.

Spencer (25:37.841)
Yeah. And that's, yeah, it's perfect for that. because that makes it like everybody feels like real, like they all have their own motives and like personalities that like actually like matter as opposed to being like, he's guy who dies. You know, like I don't want to go in the basement, you know. And then he goes in the basement and dies.

Luciano (25:47.426)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Chris (25:52.943)
True.

Luciano (25:55.768)
Yeah.

Matt (25:58.457)
This does bring me to a question I'm curious about everyone's opinion on. Of course, we'll start with you. At the end, McCready and Childs are just like, you know, basically dead. they're like, is one of us a thing? Does it matter? And for them, it might not, because they'll never know. But does it matter to us? Was McCready or Childs a thing?

Because yes, obviously we see that at the time of the test, aren't things. But that's like, we still have like another third of the movie to go after that.

Chris (26:28.964)
Mm-hmm.

Chris (26:32.931)
Yeah.

Spencer (26:34.147)
Where were you, child?

Chris (26:35.649)
Mm-hmm. Where wasn't I? I was getting I Saw him and he saw me and then he touched me

Matt (26:38.007)
I saw Blair!

Spencer (26:39.897)
I saw Blair!

And they told me he's got diabetes.

Chris (26:46.383)
And then he gave me some candy. He gave me a fistful of Werther's and I was changed on the inside

Spencer (26:50.387)
He's some

Spencer (26:54.531)
Well, the thing impersonating a Werther, that's perfect.

Think about it. Did my worth just say put me in the mouth? That's where my worth is talking to me. well, in that case.

Matt (27:00.223)
Just... Just put me in your mouth!

Chris (27:01.519)
That's how you know.

You know?

Matt (27:05.685)
No! I'm delicious!

Luciano (27:10.818)
Why does this word there sound like Mr. Hanky?

Chris (27:11.001)
Keep this character, Matt. Keep the character. Don't break.

Spencer (27:16.697)
because it makes them sound more delicious.

Chris (27:16.962)
OI

Matt (27:17.103)
I'm just a tiny tasty treat.

Spencer (27:20.765)
I'm good.

Chris (27:21.071)
See, and thus, thus bridges the gap from mission unsuccessful to mission possible for assimilating everybody. That's probably what happened in the prequel too. Like somebody got into the Werther's, but the Werther's were infected.

Matt (27:40.547)
First of all, Chris, what is the Norwegian Werther's equivalency?

Chris (27:47.767)
I don't know Norwegian, so this is gonna probably come out highly offensive. It's called The Worth Hours.

Matt (27:50.435)
great.

Luciano (27:54.218)
It's RUDBRUD!

Chris (27:57.099)
Okay, that's I can't, I can neither confirm nor deny so, ANOXONDAMOOOO!

Matt (27:57.529)
Ha ha ha

Spencer (27:58.745)
Smart play there.

Matt (28:00.203)
Yep, fair enough.

Luciano (28:00.91)
You

Matt (28:05.481)
let's go back to our original question and stay away from offending all Norwegians. What are your shouts? Are they?

Chris (28:07.821)
Yes. Who will never hear this anyway?

Luciano (28:12.039)
There are only audience the Norwegians

Spencer (28:13.861)
I don't know why we always attack them. They're 80 % of our audience.

Chris (28:14.319)
We're aliating the hand that feeds us.

Luciano (28:20.115)
Ha ha!

Matt (28:20.299)
Alright, well, this is the last time I'm going to ask. Macready or Childs, are they things?

Chris (28:22.99)
Yes.

Chris (28:27.321)
So, I think maybe each of us will take a stab at it, but at that point, yeah, I think they could be. Because how the heck could McCree, I think they could be, yes. Because like how would McCready survive an explosion like that? It seems a little too convenient to me.

Spencer (28:37.187)
but both of them.

Interesting

Spencer (28:48.194)
But by that logic, the thing wouldn't survive an explosion either because the thing don't survive in fire either.

Luciano (28:51.575)
Yeah.

Chris (28:54.073)
But McCready was closest to the exit, and if he was already infected, he could have made it out.

Spencer (29:00.579)
But that logic, McCready could have made it out. infected, not infected, not infected McCready could have escaped as well. Maybe your argument is it made him run faster?

Chris (29:02.521)
That's what I'm saying, McCready.

Matt (29:06.179)
confused.

Chris (29:06.191)
Which McCready? Which?

Spencer (29:17.186)
Matt (29:17.293)
The thing doesn't impart superhero abilities other than harder to kill basically. But it does... Well...

Luciano (29:18.146)
What is happening?

Spencer (29:22.103)
No it does not. It is a perfect replica.

Spencer (29:27.833)
That's true, that is a superpower.

Chris (29:28.567)
enhanced durability.

Spencer (29:31.937)
Same in durability. It's just that it, it can survive with a single cell. So it doesn't matter if it's been shot or cut or anything. Cause the cells don't die. It's not going to bleed out.

Chris (29:33.728)
Except for fire. Ish.

Matt (29:36.418)
Yeah.

Matt (29:40.921)
It's the separation of the idea that like, if you take like Blair, so the Blair thing will die. Sorry. Thank you. Wilford Thingley.

Luciano (29:50.71)
I think you mean Wilford Thingley.

Spencer (29:57.114)
Hahaha!

Matt (29:58.361)
would die, but the thing would live, could live on.

Luciano (30:03.245)
Yeah.

Spencer (30:03.843)
But Wilford Thingley is already dead. mean, Wilford Brimley is dead and now it's Wilford Thingley. So he wouldn't die, he's already dead.

Chris (30:05.891)
Stingley!

Luciano (30:11.522)
Yes. And then he shoved his entire face on the captain's head.

Matt (30:11.713)
Right, that's correct. But no, but like the thing, the symbiote thing, it doesn't seem to ever go back to a copy once that copy is discovered or killed, right?

Chris (30:11.769)
Yeah.

Luciano (30:19.501)
Hmm.

Luciano (30:26.947)
Yeah.

Spencer (30:27.789)
Well, I think it could, I just think there's no reason to.

Luciano (30:30.486)
Yeah, exactly. It's not that you couldn't, it just doesn't do it.

Matt (30:34.433)
Right, but so my point is like if Wilford Thingley dies, it's not going to go and try to be Wilford Thingley again, but the thing still continues to live and we'll pick a new thing to return into.

Chris (30:44.356)
Right.

Luciano (30:45.442)
Well, that was the whole point of McCready's test, Every part of it outside of a collective is still its own entity. So a single drop of blood with the things material in it can survive and do something else as long as it gets to infect someone.

Chris (31:06.137)
which brings us full circle towards the final battle. McCready and Monstrosity Thingly are duking it and before, Monstrosity Thingly can't move, didn't seem, well, actually no, it moves really quickly, almost like that tremors worm. Right, so if that, if it can move as fast, if it can move that quickly, I don't see why it couldn't try to Russell Thingly.

Spencer (31:23.159)
Yeah, underground, that one scene.

Matt (31:24.377)
Yep.

Luciano (31:24.417)
Yeah.

Matt (31:33.337)
So I think the thing we may be getting wrong here, and Spencer maybe you can shed some light on this, we're acting like the thing touches you and infects you, but the way the movie shows it is the movie kills you and takes your form.

Chris (31:43.919)
Could you breathe it in too? Sure.

Spencer (31:52.727)
No, because there's no bodies. it takes over you. Basically, once you get infected, it slowly replaces all your cells with thing cells. It's like, think of it.

Luciano (31:54.88)
Yeah, it takes over.

Matt (31:54.935)
Yeah.

Matt (32:03.637)
Okay. Yeah.

Luciano (32:05.45)
That was the thing that it shows, Blair shows like on the computer thing where it takes over every single cell, right?

Spencer (32:10.731)
Yeah, was like the that was the majority of the budget of the movie was in that shot

Matt (32:10.942)
Listen, I can't trust that computer thing.

Luciano (32:14.222)
Why not? Because it pulls numbers out of its non-existing ass?

Chris (32:15.951)
We've got to use, we must use the technology presented to us.

Matt (32:21.421)
Mmm, fair enough.

Spencer (32:21.687)
You can't kill the thing with a gun or a knife, because it's like, imagine trying to shoot sperm. You know, you could shoot it, but you could stab a bowl of sperm, but it's not going to kill the sperm.

Matt (32:27.895)
I do it all the time.

Luciano (32:28.864)
Yeah!

Matt (32:35.843)
Great reference, I guess. Anybody want to work hentai in here right now or no? Okay.

Spencer (32:38.051)
Picture a bowl of sperm.

Luciano (32:39.74)
I'd rather not.

Chris (32:43.097)
So Balford's spring league.

Luciano (32:45.449)
no. He dodged the question.

Spencer (32:45.524)
No, no, too far.

Matt (32:45.974)
So, okay, so Chris, you have put forth the idea. No, he actually put forth the idea that both McCready and Childs were infected. Right.

Chris (32:52.267)
Dodge it.

were infected because Childs wasn't in the basement basement. So Childs, could have happened. Even if he wasn't infected, everyone was infected. So how could he not be infected? One, while he's running around. Two, everything we said already with McCready in the basement and that final battle.

Luciano (32:56.171)
Okay

Matt (33:16.535)
I don't support your argument of everybody was infected so how could he not be infected? That seems loose and not actually, like your recruiting point is valid, child's just being like, well he has to be infected because everybody's infected, feels like you're just dodging the question. Yeah. So, all right, listen.

Chris (33:23.576)
And yet...

Spencer (33:31.297)
Everybody's doing it.

Luciano (33:33.462)
Yeah, peer pressure infection is a thing.

Spencer (33:36.633)
Come on, child. Everybody do it. Do it, you loser. He's like, all right.

Luciano (33:41.698)
Hahaha!

Chris (33:42.575)
Alright, alright, alright

Matt (33:44.299)
Alright, Spencer, do you want- no, fuck you Spencer. Luciano, you take a crack at it.

Luciano (33:49.034)
I, so I think that they were both also infected. And I'll tell you why. First of all, there's a point where like, I'm pretty sure it was Palmer who gets fucking tossed out the, the one of the doors. Yeah. And then exploded. And if individual cells can, can survive. Like now there's vaporized thing cells all over the place. Right. But I think more than that, shows like.

Matt (34:03.17)
yeeted up the side of the building and then exploded with dynamite?

Matt (34:10.349)
you

Luciano (34:18.892)
At least it feels to me like the more it infected people, the more it learned how to behave to kind of hide itself. like with Palmer, it wasn't super keen or super good at pretending, like Blair was pretty, or sorry, Wilfer Thingley was pretty good at pretending. So I think that whole interaction that we get at the end between Childs and McCready, they were like, yeah, I think you killed it.

Alright, we're dead. Yeah, we're dead. But then they both just survive because they're both the thing.

Spencer (34:50.157)
You think they're both the thing but they don't know the other one's the thing?

Matt (34:50.179)
So bye.

Luciano (34:52.352)
Yeah, yeah, that's what I think.

Matt (34:53.739)
So I challenge your, I follow your premise, but I challenge the one point of it is that the thing continues to learn to better mimic humans. Because if the idea is that the things will kill each other to survive, how do you separate individual things and how, they're not a collective all learning together, right? Like once the cell splits off and is off doing its own thing, if

Luciano (34:58.446)
Hmm.

Luciano (35:18.4)
Right.

Luciano (35:22.84)
Well, it's like, well, I know I'm thinking because like, like, like Spencer said, like you get infected, a person gets infected and then all that person cells become replaced by thing cells, right? So let's say, you know, let's pick Palmer, for example. So he, he became a thing, thing Palmer, and then got exploded. Like one of those cells survived and that, that's how learned

Matt (35:23.491)
Two separate cells come back, do they trade information or do they murder each other? Like what happens?

Matt (35:37.027)
Sure. Yeah.

Luciano (35:51.822)
not just from being Palmer, but from watching maybe other things or other humans. So when it infects, let's say child, it knows better what not to do and what to do and so on and so forth. that's how, that's at least why I think that in the beginning it was pretty easy to figure out who was infected or easier. And then towards the end, you don't really know.

Matt (35:52.13)
Right.

Spencer (36:12.621)
That's what you think.

Matt (36:15.875)
Well, that's an idea that's probably wrong, Spencer. What do you think?

Spencer (36:19.865)
this is something I've dove deep into, dived deep into in my past dove. I was right. English. basically in my opinion, the, child is the thing and the creed is not. And I'm going to show you my work here for, for one, he's black. No, no, no.

Luciano (36:26.552)
Dove, you're right.

Chris (36:26.947)
DOF

Matt (36:27.828)
of.

Matt (36:40.503)
racist.

Luciano (36:43.55)
You

Chris (36:46.969)
Think Power!

Spencer (36:49.687)
No, for one, there's a shot before where Childs is looking out the door. He's standing by the door alone and he was supposed to watch the door and it cuts away. When it cuts back, the door is open and he's gone. Now, if you look in that scene, the jackets are moved around in that, when it cuts back and the thing, when it takes over somebody, it tears its clothes. So,

Luciano (36:59.789)
Right.

Luciano (37:04.014)
True, yeah.

Spencer (37:17.547)
If they told if it got McCrew, if it got childs, it would have torn his clothes and he would have had to get another jacket. Also, the jacket he's wearing when he sees McCready looks like a different jacket. It's hard to tell because it's covered in snow. So that's debated. But it is looks like a different shade of than the color was when he first had it.

Luciano (37:36.814)
I'm just gonna say something. The way you said, can't tell because it's covered in snow, so it's debated. That sound, it's taken straight out of a subreddit. Like.

Spencer (37:47.147)
Listen, it is. Fuck you. Yeah, exactly. It's my I run that subreddit. Also, when he comes. There's also behind the scenes thing that people say that one of the creators of the movie said that there's a thing when they're filming called key lights where they'll have a light that shines and it shows a light in the character's eyes. Apparently gives the person looks like.

Chris (37:48.942)
Yeah.

Matt (37:48.959)
And furthermore, Spencer wrote that subreddit.

Luciano (37:51.566)
He's a moderator there.

Chris (37:52.579)
Yeah.

Spencer (38:17.077)
or human or whatever. Apparently when they made the movie, made it so that whoever the thing is don't have those key lights. So you can look in their eyes and see at certain points. But then John Carpenter said that they only did that in the scene with the blood test. So in the last scene, McCree has those key lights in his eyes, but Childs does not. And the last thing is when he gives him the drink. He gives him the drink.

He's the ending scene he gave. He's drinking liquor and then he gives, child's a bottle and right when he takes a sip, the theme song goes, which is the thing theme, obviously. And. A lot of people say that it's like, it's actually a gasoline. It's not actually liquor and he's testing him, but that's stupid because a replica would know what fucking alcohol tastes like. Cause he's a perfect replica. But a better point is they know that it's it's.

Chris (38:49.743)
Mm-hmm.

Luciano (39:05.41)
That is stupid.

Spencer (39:13.591)
transmittable through saliva. So, so child if he didn't want to get infected, would not have taken the sip. But if he was infected, he'd want to share it and give his saliva to McCready, even though they're alone and he could take them over anyways. So those are all my my reasons for why I believe it is child's but it's greatly debated. Not McCready, McCready is not is not a thing.

Luciano (39:15.694)
That's what I was gonna say.

Luciano (39:25.122)
Back, yeah.

Luciano (39:33.142)
And not so not McCready. Just child. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Chris (39:38.605)
But question.

Matt (39:38.807)
This is, this has been actually with Spencer.

Spencer (39:41.377)
Yeah, sorry, I'm actually that's I don't normally do that, but I had to break it down.

Luciano (39:41.814)
Yeah, it kind of was. It kind of was.

Chris (39:42.136)
Yes.

It's fine. that's, help me. Did McCready have a weapon still at that point in time when the movie was still? okay, okay. So then Childs, if he was infected or a thing, he could have just jumped him at that point, but that not possible because he had a flamethrower. Okay.

Spencer (39:51.584)
He had a flamethrower.

Spencer (40:00.577)
No, Dimacrede? No, Childe's had the flamethrower.

Matt (40:03.61)
because Charles took it out to find Blair

Chris (40:07.919)
Hmm

Spencer (40:07.949)
Yeah. And he walks in with the flamethrower and then goes, and then McCready goes, where were you child? But I think McCready also has a weapon.

Luciano (40:16.308)
No, think he... Yeah, he has alcohol.

Chris (40:17.069)
I don't remember that, because that's his weapon. That's his superpower. Alcohol poisoning.

Spencer (40:18.028)
He's just drinking.

Spencer (40:22.807)
I mean, but, but, but a of people think that like, I keep saying a lot of people think, I think this is actually just my, if it's the thing, there's very possible that he just, the second the movie cuts to black, the thing takes over him, right? It's not like he's in no rush to do it. Him not killing him there. It doesn't mean he's not the thing.

Matt (40:41.155)
This is how conspiracy theories get created because there's no proof that any of this happened. And so you can create...

Luciano (40:43.543)
Yep.

Spencer (40:47.693)
But jet fuel can't melt steel beams.

Luciano (40:49.742)
And no, there's also, there's also no indication that any of the stuff you said was like actually intentional and not just like a coincidence that people found and latched onto. Yeah. Yeah. There are a few.

Spencer (40:52.153)
That's all I'm saying.

Matt (40:58.561)
Right. That's the best part, right?

Spencer (41:01.571)
Like, yeah, like the jacket could be continued continuity error for sure. Cause like, it's not just one jacket that's in a different place. It's like all of the jackets are in a different place. So it's like, why would they all be?

Chris (41:06.063)
you

Luciano (41:10.51)
There are few continuity errors in the movie. Like in the scene with the helicopter, for example, in the beginning, like the distances between where they're showing on the side and from the back is very noticeable. it might just be, you know. COVID was planned and started in 1982 in Antarctica.

Spencer (41:24.023)
Listen, COVID was planned, plandemic. That's a 1982, this is the origin. This is the origin of COVID. It's actually a documentary. Yeah, Matt Stuck.

Chris (41:27.951)
Hmm.

Chris (41:32.047)
Slow burn, have you heard of it? Slow burn.

Luciano (41:36.992)
And I think Matt is stuck.

Chris (41:41.108)
He's deep in thought.

Luciano (41:42.328)
He fucking left. Okay.

Chris (41:45.251)
He didn't, he didn't, he didn't fucking leave. He was, he was the thing.

Spencer (41:50.073)
Dun dun dun. Do know that this movie, it's score. You back Matt?

Chris (42:00.055)
He's back he's he's he's ready. He's ready for us to thing him daddy

Matt (42:01.308)
Yep.

What's the timestamp you guys have?

Spencer (42:06.915)
4207.

Luciano (42:06.99)
It was when when you drop it was 41 now it's 42

Spencer (42:11.917)
Well, you got to like 4130 or 40.

Matt (42:12.019)
Thank you.

Luciano (42:13.816)
Yeah.

Matt (42:15.027)
I dropped it 41 10. got it. got that one. Anyways, how do we want to restart?

Spencer (42:24.294)
Will my audio be there?

Luciano (42:26.06)
Yeah.

Matt (42:26.644)
Everybody else's audio is gonna exist so I could just chop it wherever

Luciano (42:28.982)
I think you can just, it just like segue.

Spencer (42:29.091)
So yeah, just, you can just say, yeah, like, okay, like, as if I was ranting like a madman and.

Matt (42:37.267)
Okay.

Spencer (42:37.656)
and say.

Matt (42:43.827)
Okay, Spencer, you have to stop. It's too much. It's too much. Come back to us, Spencer. Come back.

Luciano (42:47.292)
Whatever that was.

Chris (42:50.095)
Thanks?

Spencer (42:51.673)
I'm just saying look into it. I'm just saying.

Luciano (42:51.692)
Yeah, thanks.

Chris (42:54.959)
Don't look into the lens!

Matt (42:55.795)
Okay, Listen, we gave ourselves lots of room to talk about this movie because of all the interesting subplots and the questions it breeds Let's talk about plot holes There's One in a bit Wow, what the fuck there's one that kind of sticks out and it's Yeah, yeah a bunch of dudes just raw dog and each other sexy

Chris (43:07.087)
Mmm.

Fuck man.

Spencer (43:15.437)
Yeah, why didn't the thing just have sex with everyone? That's a question. That's a plot hole. Yeah, you could have infected them all at the Daily Orgy if he just waited.

Matt (43:26.503)
Just gotta have patience.

Luciano (43:27.749)
Yeah.

Spencer (43:30.782)
That was so loud.

Luciano (43:31.16)
Jesus Christ. Yeah, it was.

Matt (43:33.275)
I don't even know what he said. the real plot hole, comes around. It's all the thing around Blair. It's not that Blair gets infected or Blair ends up being a thing. That's fine. It's that they leave Blair. Well, that's, that's part of the problem.

Luciano (43:43.946)
Is it that woof or brimly doesn't have a mustache? Is that what the problem is?

Spencer (43:48.225)
I don't know who Blair is, Luciano, who is he talking about?

Luciano (43:51.842)
He's talking about Wilfred Thingley, of course.

Spencer (43:53.976)
Wilfred Thingley.

Matt (43:54.833)
Yeah, sorry. Wilford Thingley, they stick him in the tool shed outside and they leave him alone for 12 hours, maybe 24 at the very most. And when they go out to get him after they've done the test and killed a bunch more people, he's gone, right? Gone. Well.

Luciano (43:59.15)
You

Luciano (44:03.948)
Maybe a day, maybe a day, yeah, yeah.

Chris (44:12.879)
gone, broke out. Just like the scene in fucking Cuckoo's Nest, takes that water cooler, puts it through the window, chucks the fuck out.

Luciano (44:14.614)
Yeah.

Spencer (44:21.942)
More like more like Shawshank.

Matt (44:22.449)
Great reference. Worst reference. Bruce, that's the worst reference of all. Terrible reference. And so what I want to talk about is he.

Luciano (44:24.644)
Yeah

Luciano (44:28.938)
Even even even Bruce agrees

Matt (44:40.391)
kick kick stop talking. Bruce quiet.

Spencer (44:43.577)
Check the damn dog.

Matt (44:47.879)
What I want to talk about is he pops the floorboards out, digs a hole, digs a tunnel, digs out an entire room to build a spaceship, presumably to very small. Yeah.

Luciano (44:55.423)
giant hole, a giant tunnel.

Spencer (45:02.263)
A very small spaceship. Wilfred Thingley built a spaceship in a cave with a box of scraps! Well, I'm not Wilfred Thingley.

Luciano (45:03.402)
In a cave! With a box of scraps!

Matt (45:10.731)
is Iron Man. It's so like he gets scraps from the helicopter that he also destroys earlier on. But it's just like the timeline, none of this tracks because like

Luciano (45:12.28)
Yeah.

Chris (45:24.175)
That was great.

Luciano (45:24.182)
Yeah. Right.

Matt (45:32.371)
Maybe I'm missing something, but it just feels like it doesn't work in terms of him getting that far down the road of doing all these things. It keys everybody into the idea that he's trying to escape, right? And they have to destroy the whole fucking shebang.

Luciano (45:39.672)
Yeah.

Chris (45:47.491)
Right, and it creates this question. It sounds like it's for everybody at the same time. What are the thing's abilities? when you describe that scene and that feat that Wilford Thingley accomplished, in my mind, it just reminds me of Henry Cavill's Superman heat visioning his way through the iceberg going from point A to point B. How did Thingley pull this off?

Luciano (46:14.83)
Are you saying that the thing came from Krypton? Is that what you're saying?

Matt (46:18.371)
I thought Wilford Thingley was Iron Man, not Superman. This is very confusing to me.

Chris (46:18.765)
No, I'm asking how.

Luciano (46:22.54)
Hahaha!

Spencer (46:23.425)
He can take many forms. He is the thing.

Matt (46:25.714)
That's fair. So, but...

Luciano (46:26.152)
It true. Yeah, it feels it feels like it was too fast, right? Like, it's not just that it, you know, bore through the ice and created like a workshop, but it also had time to go outside and collect things from the from the helicopter. And apparently you can use parts of a helicopter to make a flying saucer, I guess. Like it's it's kind of contrived and also

It had the time to build the news for no reason, which it's never explained. It's just the news there.

Matt (46:57.661)
That's important. Well, so, but this, this is one of the questions about the thing that we don't get a clear sense of powers and it is both beneficial and problematic, right? Because it's beneficial that you don't know everything so you don't know who's hiding amongst you. But it's problematic because when a thing takes over a body, what does it know or not know? So does it get all the knowledge that Wilfred Thingley previously had? it, but how did Wilfred Thingley?

Luciano (47:04.621)
Yeah.

Luciano (47:12.312)
Right.

Spencer (47:23.202)
Yes.

Chris (47:25.359)
Was that a yes?

Matt (47:27.229)
Well, Spencer said yes, so if that's true, how does Wilford Thingley even know how to build a spaceship or a jet, right?

Chris (47:28.473)
Got it, I'm just making sure.

Spencer (47:28.524)
Yes.

Spencer (47:32.993)
No, he doesn't. That's the only time in the movie where it infers that the alien has some kind of carry over knowledge, which in my opinion is probably one of my only nitpicks of the movie. Both my nitpicks of the movie are about the spaceship, the opening spaceship scene and the building of the spaceship scene because it doesn't seem like it has, like that kind of like, it makes it seem, that infers that it's like a,

Luciano (47:39.136)
Knowledge. Yeah.

Luciano (47:50.291)
Hahaha!

Matt (47:50.547)
Yeah.

Spencer (48:02.349)
What's it like a, like it's not just sentient, like it's like, if it carries over knowledge, do all the cells carry over that knowledge or are all the cells connected or, know, it's like, just raises all sorts of questions.

Matt (48:02.867)
sentient being.

Matt (48:14.821)
It's the Wolverine paradox, right? Wolverine can regenerate from a single cell. Yeah, like, you probably shouldn't have written it that way, guys.

Chris (48:14.937)
I've mined this sh-

Luciano (48:18.392)
From a single cell, yeah.

Yeah, yeah. It's like why I actually wrote this down when I was writing when they try to show the cells taking over and then the computer doing the fucking ass pool of numbers. I was like, guys, this is 82. Don't show the science, please just let us fill in the blanks ourselves. Because it doesn't it doesn't make sense to me because it's like it seems very sort of.

Spencer (48:39.766)
Yeah.

Luciano (48:49.076)
survival focus the creature i the thing

Spencer (48:52.793)
Yeah, it seems like it's like a feral.

Luciano (48:55.402)
Yeah, and its only purpose is to just spread, right? But at the same time it has a gigantic, because the one that the Norwegians found is huge, that fucking spaceship, right?

Spencer (48:58.945)
Yeah, survive.

Chris (48:59.503)
And then there's...

Spencer (49:07.353)
But that is, again, I don't know if this is canon, but it was actually aboard another alien species ship and it spread amongst that ship. It's not actually the maker of that ship.

Luciano (49:17.037)
actually that would make more sense that would make more sense but that but then

Matt (49:21.991)
Sure, certainly that wasn't shown in the movie, we have no context to that.

Spencer (49:24.769)
Of course not. So yeah, in that sense, yeah.

Luciano (49:25.667)
Yeah

But then if like that would make sense for the big spaceship, but then why does it know how to build a small version of it? Like, again, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It's it to me, it is like, it didn't have to be that way because the purpose of that whole scene is for us to understand as the audience understand that one will for Thingley or will for Brimley is not will for Thingley, right?

That's the first thing. And the second one is for the characters to understand that, shit, it's not trying to infect everybody now anymore. It's trying to kill everybody and go back to the ice so we can survive and wait for the rescue team. Right?

Spencer (50:02.371)
I would let it take a spaceship out of here. Is it going to space? Get the fuck out of here. the safest place it go. It's better than anywhere else on earth. Yeah.

Chris (50:05.775)
We don't know. What if it was both?

Luciano (50:08.01)
Right? There's also that. Let it, let it fucking go.

Chris (50:11.567)
But we don't know. What if it was just trying to get out of that area to go to a densely populated region? It's just like, I'm just trying to warp out of here into Connecticut and take them out, right?

Luciano (50:19.118)
I see.

Spencer (50:20.853)
Yeah, for sure.

Luciano (50:26.626)
That was just an Uber spaceship, not a... Okay.

Spencer (50:26.968)
I just

Chris (50:29.572)
Yeah.

Spencer (50:30.179)
That little, and I don't care what species of alien or how smart you are. You can't make a spaceship out of a helicopter. What fuel was it using to get it into space or?

Luciano (50:38.895)
And how come how come it didn't look like the helicopter at all Like the helicopters other colors and everything that one's that thing was just like great Yeah

Matt (50:39.282)
Yes.

Spencer (50:43.587)
music

Spencer (50:47.289)
He painted it. He had taste, okay?

Matt (50:49.009)
It's here time.

Chris (50:49.667)
this is but this he had X amount of time and then there are ability there are ability thingly abilities we are not a pri- we're not privy to

Luciano (51:00.012)
Like it shoots great paint out of its ass and that's how he painted it.

Spencer (51:00.142)
You think it c-

Spencer (51:03.609)
You

Chris (51:05.655)
At this point, what, of course.

Spencer (51:08.089)
And it can like it create new like new. What am I trying to say? No, elements like elements to create new forms of energy that can, you know, make a ship be able to fly into space like.

Luciano (51:08.173)
Yeah.

Chris (51:15.267)
Newt Gingrich.

Luciano (51:22.816)
Yeah, it's sort of like you feel it feels like the that you know, they needed to sort of get the characters from point A to point B and us with them and they were like, yeah, it just will for thing is just fucking awesome. It's very compatible. was very compatible with the thing. So it just, you know, took over and was very good at it. Yeah.

Spencer (51:37.059)
I mean, I would have preferred.

Spencer (51:44.281)
I would prefer if it was like trying to take over McCready because he was the pilot and he could fix the pilot with that knowledge, you know, or fix the helicopter, mean, or Wilford Brimley could fix the helicopter. Yeah. Like that would be. Maybe the maybe the spaceship was just a ploy. Maybe it wasn't actually working. It was just a yeah, it was what Wilford Brimley thought a ship would look like.

Luciano (51:51.672)
Fly. Yeah, Fix it and fly it out, right? Yeah, that makes sense.

Luciano (52:07.414)
It was just a shell. Haha, idiots.

Chris (52:10.198)
Sham!

Spencer (52:14.529)
and because it doesn't have any actual new knowledge and it was all just to trick them into coming down into his hole.

Chris (52:21.039)
so he could infect them and carry on his business.

Matt (52:22.995)
It does lead you down this rabbit hole, You keep tripping further down the hole in the sense that, so the thing takes over your body cell by cell until you become a thing. And it doesn't then tell you, it kind of insinuates through most of the movie that you are just you, but you're now controlled by the thing. But everything about you is still consistent, your knowledge and...

Spencer (52:51.831)
Potentially you don't even know you're the thing.

Luciano (52:53.428)
Yeah, they hinted at this a couple of times in the movie.

Matt (52:54.067)
Right, exactly. Yeah. And so in those scenarios, we're just led to believe that like, Spencer's point, the thing is feral. It is just trying to survive. One cell needs to survive to continue the things, master race, whatever, how you want to put it.

Spencer (53:09.369)
I don't think anybody said master race. It sounds like you inferred it. Yeah, think power.

Luciano (53:11.662)
Thing power. Thing power.

Chris (53:13.859)
Whatever you say, Jack.

Matt (53:18.047)
but when we get to, Thingley, it's when they all of sudden just turn up the thing's abilities because they need a big bad to end the movie with. And that's where I can like, cause you know, it's like, I hate to bring up Star Wars all the time, but we always do it. It's like when they give Rey all the power, like, gets the Force Heal and like, it's like, yeah. And so it's like, the challenge is, if you show us something for three quarters of the movie,

Luciano (53:26.252)
Yeah.

Luciano (53:33.194)
no.

Luciano (53:37.986)
Well, the same with Palpatine is the same thing. Like this just make him a super villain, right?

Matt (53:47.965)
But then you change it. It just gets, you need to like, if they were slowly showing each time the thing did something, it got smarter, it got better, it retained knowledge from somebody, that's fine. But it just goes from like, it goes into like, know, fucking, I'll never know how old Poole for Brimley is in any movie he's ever in.

Luciano (53:49.602)
He needs a reason.

Chris (54:00.345)
momentum.

Luciano (54:09.39)
Yes. Anywhere between 19 and 62. Yeah.

Matt (54:09.523)
30 to 50 in this movie.

Matt (54:14.629)
Yeah, but in that scenario, he, his body type does not depict someone who can sneak up on you crazy fast.

Luciano (54:23.31)
true.

Chris (54:23.631)
But he did!

Matt (54:25.171)
But I'm saying that's like

Luciano (54:25.686)
Not only did he do that, but he literally shoved his hand into the captain's face really hard.

Matt (54:31.815)
Right. And you cannot tell me that Wilford Brimley had that skill in him before the thing arrived, right?

Chris (54:32.921)
Yup.

Luciano (54:39.286)
Yeah, so it ramps up what the creature can do with no explanation of why or how.

Matt (54:47.539)
Yeah. They do an amazing job through rest of the movie of explaining how the thing works and how its powers are and it takes over. The Doctor knows more than he probably should, but it's plausibly believable.

Chris (54:48.697)
Has it?

Luciano (54:58.074)
yeah, I wrote that down. He's like, okay. I'm going to poke this thing with my pencil and then we're to eat the pencil and I'm going to look at it in the computer. it can replicate any life form. Like where did you get that? It's Blair. No Blair, know, Wilfer Brimley and Wilfer Thingley are just amazing.

Matt (55:05.532)
Obviously.

Chris (55:05.646)
The pencil goo.

Matt (55:12.04)
Peter.

Matt (55:17.779)
The Highliner guy did the same thing with his computer. He figured out he was the Highliner immediately. I assume.

Luciano (55:19.926)
That is, that is true. Yeah. Maybe, maybe it's the same computer.

Chris (55:21.761)
Brenda.

yeah.

Spencer (55:25.177)
And Luciano, you mentioned the noose scene. I do believe that's one of the greatest scenes of the movie. So I just love when he's just like, the noose is just hanging in the foreshot and he's like, I wanna come back inside. I'm all better now. I'm okay.

Luciano (55:28.732)
Mmm.

Luciano (55:34.014)
Oui!

Luciano (55:43.566)
Yeah, I'm I'm all better you can let me out now I remember watch I watched this you know, it was like what the fuck is happening because that is like I would I Don't know go in and tie him back up again. If he talked to me like that that way

Spencer (55:48.339)
Yeah, it's over. I'm all better now.

Spencer (55:53.826)
Ha

Chris (56:02.767)
You guys, know, listening to this, like, listening to us break this down has actually surfaced a question for me that I, again, it surfaced two dots I never thought of before. I was wondering, I thought that the thing was older than the original Ridley Scott Alien, but it's actually a reverse. 1979, Alien, and then 82, The Thing. But there are so many parallels with the xenomorphs, like they're close. They don't have, they don't tick all the boxes together, but.

Luciano (56:19.788)
Yes.

Yeah.

Chris (56:31.971)
The thing infects xenomorphs, I don't wanna, xenomorphs, yeah, they also infect, and then they take on the traits of the host body and then hatch out and do something, and the thing sorta has a similar trajectory. Holy moly.

Luciano (56:37.623)
Yeah.

Spencer (56:39.329)
and then they take on the traits of the host body and then...

Spencer (56:45.158)
sort of

Luciano (56:49.1)
What? There was no... Yeah. What was... What happened?

Matt (56:50.237)
Great question. All right, moving on. I think that really for me, if we talk about plot holes, we talk about fixing them, really the fix is relatively easy with this one. You just don't show it. You don't have to show the alien ship ever. I don't care where the thing comes from. I don't give a shit.

Chris (56:55.277)
Nothing. Nothing happened.

Chris (57:10.479)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Luciano (57:11.104)
Yeah.

Spencer (57:12.386)
No, exactly.

Luciano (57:13.922)
Like show the first one and allude to the fact that it came here infected. know what I mean?

Matt (57:19.015)
Don't show the first one, who gives a shit?

Spencer (57:20.609)
I think the thing should have came out of meteorite, it just seems like it's just so organic.

Luciano (57:24.556)
Yeah, like Venom, right? Like the symbiote. Just like surviving in space.

Matt (57:28.178)
Hey man.

Chris (57:29.731)
Yes, man.

Matt (57:30.867)
I don't think you have to show I again I don't think there's any need to show any reason how the thing got there

Luciano (57:37.154)
That would also save us the fucking weird CG in the beginning. Like honestly, that CG is so dumb. I was expecting someone to go brrrr

Spencer (57:40.963)
Well, I-

Matt (57:41.191)
Cause just...

Spencer (57:47.577)
Do you notice that that opening is the exact same as the Predator opening? Where it's like shows the spaceship flight and it almost guarantee is just studio notes Being like like they because the whole movies are designed to be like a mystery to find out What is this thing in both movies like what is it? is it? And it's like the studios like well, we gotta let people know it's an alien picture We gotta show the spaceship flight in front of these

Luciano (57:56.3)
Yeah. yeah, they're like, yeah.

Matt (57:56.785)
Yes, we need.

Matt (58:02.353)
Yeah. Yep.

Luciano (58:06.83)
I was gonna say the West Side Boy was like, are they gonna know? You have to show it's a spaceship. Hey!

Spencer (58:11.257)
it's got to be a spaceship! I want people to just think of some goo!

Luciano (58:18.83)
Hahaha

Matt (58:19.987)
Hey Spencer, we're not an only Feats production here. You're nasty.

Chris (58:22.799)
Yeah, move. Yeah, yeah.

Luciano (58:22.829)
Yeah.

Spencer (58:25.786)
Apologies, that was very sexy of me. Too sexy for YouTube.

Matt (58:28.531)
But yeah, it wasn't very sexy, too sexy. can't handle the views on that. No, think those are fine solutions. It's not important, but you're right, it's studio notes.

Luciano (58:40.032)
Or you said something else as well, that would work. Like, it would be a little bit, probably a little bit more work, but like, show us that the thing kind of learns as it goes and becomes better at doing things. That would work too. Like, you still don't have to show the spaceship, but like, learning how to trick people better, learning how to mimic people better. That would also help.

Chris (58:51.822)
Mm-hmm.

Spencer (59:02.883)
Or just like, honestly, think it's a perfect replica. it's like, it's supposed to, I don't think it's supposed to get smarter or anything. It's just supposed to be as smart as the person it's infecting. But I think that the only thing to fix is the space. Like it could just be a hole. And then it's just like, they think like it's going down to freeze itself. We have to kill this thing.

Chris (59:13.007)
Hmm.

Luciano (59:20.718)
Cause he was trying to, yeah. Ori made a hole to his case.

Spencer (59:27.447)
Or yeah, or he just made a whole escape and they had to follow it. Yeah, he's gonna infect the core. He's gonna replicate the earth.

Chris (59:29.046)
The center of the murk of the earth?

Chris (59:33.827)
Go shit.

Matt (59:33.831)
First of all, based on my knowledge, there's actually, is it a xenomorph production factory at the center of the earth in the Arctic? Yeah, so you don't wanna go all the way down there.

Luciano (59:36.856)
Jesus.

Spencer (59:43.051)
of him.

Luciano (59:43.779)
Yeah.

Chris (59:44.879)
Luciano (59:47.128)
Was it trying to cross over like alien versus predator versus the thing? Is that what we're doing?

Spencer (59:52.193)
Man, I think the thing wins that every time.

Matt (59:52.569)
Yeah, I think so. Yeah, cause the thing just becomes a xenomorph and game over, man. Game over.

Luciano (59:55.626)
I don't know about that. Yeah, assuming you can, assuming you can.

Spencer (59:58.038)
Yeah.

Game over, man, game over! We're all things, man! Let's fuckin' turn to goo, man! Yeah, or I like the other theory that I came up with that is... I like my other theory, where it wants to get McCready because McCready's a pilot, and it can use his knowledge to escape. At least that's a plan that seems like something a human would come up with.

Luciano (01:00:05.436)
Hahaha

Luciano (01:00:14.028)
Hahaha!

Matt (01:00:24.933)
And we have to stop this because we'll go on forever. like, this again assumes that the thing is smart. And that's the thing that's missing. It's presented as a... To me, it's presented as a beast that's sole job is to survive. And it doesn't ever display intelligence. It's just displaying survival instincts. But to assume it then has intelligence, that's where I get thrown off in the disconnect. And that's why the plot hole pops up, right?

Luciano (01:00:30.71)
The thing learns and knows. Yeah. Yeah.

Luciano (01:00:43.438)
Yeah.

Spencer (01:00:53.409)
Yeah, it's like contradictory character motivation.

Matt (01:00:55.357)
Yeah.

Luciano (01:00:59.038)
This is why this movie sucks though, I'm kidding.

Spencer (01:01:01.465)
Ehhhh

Matt (01:01:01.651)
Wow. Chris?

Chris (01:01:04.367)
Jumping the gun already. if the things, like MO is to, like prime director for whatever is to just like survive, and it's a perfect replica stack, like that's the first level, and then perfect replica stack, right? And if it's intelligence is limited based on who it inhabits and takes over, then can, wait, if, but,

Luciano (01:01:27.436)
Yeah, but then you have to show, right?

Chris (01:01:33.827)
Well, in a way it did show us because the infected still the infected had I can't argue smarter, but It when it every time it replicated it worked with the amount of intelligence that host had and so and so

Luciano (01:01:35.599)
No.

Luciano (01:01:50.984)
are you saying that Palmer and whoever else got infected, like the other dude that looks like Matt, those guys were like, they're dumb. So the creature is also dumb. But Wulford Thingley is smart. So then the thing is smart too. Is that what you're saying?

Spencer (01:02:01.145)
Here go Dump Bucks.

Matt (01:02:04.797)
Probably.

Spencer (01:02:08.641)
Yeah, yeah, for sure. That's a fact.

Chris (01:02:09.775)
It's getting closer. So if it works within the amount of intelligence that it has access to, can the thing love?

Luciano (01:02:16.714)
no. Jumping the fucking gun.

Matt (01:02:17.917)
Hey man, we're not in that section. I don't know what you're trying to do here.

Chris (01:02:19.853)
You know what?

Spencer (01:02:20.813)
the fuck, son of a bitch?

Chris (01:02:22.765)
Well, he jumped to the reviews.

Luciano (01:02:25.858)
No, I was kidding. That's called the joke.

Spencer (01:02:26.167)
No, yeah, think, shut! Matt, you see Matt nodding his head disapprovingly? That means, that means, yeah. Matt, you take it away, sir, I got you.

Chris (01:02:27.619)
I know. See, he did it again. Yo.

Luciano (01:02:31.438)
You

Chris (01:02:34.583)
He did not, he's shaking!

Luciano (01:02:34.675)
Yeah, what's new, Spencer? What's new?

Matt (01:02:42.707)
I

Luciano (01:02:53.41)
Fingley.

Spencer (01:02:59.617)
and he built a spaceship.

Luciano (01:03:01.78)
And he has hand embedding.

Spencer (01:03:04.313)
I mean, if we're going by the logic of the movie, it definitely infers that it retains knowledge of previous hosts. And by that logic, it had the knowledge of the aliens that it previously controlled, along with the intelligence of the dog.

Matt (01:03:13.447)
Which makes no sense.

Matt (01:03:19.421)
Yeah. Anyways.

I don't think that makes sense, but the movie does show that, so that's neither here nor there. It just is what it is. That being said, we do have a couple other plot armor things we want to talk about. Just quick things that were like eyebrow razors, but weren't necessarily plot holes. And the most obvious one happens at the beginning of the movie. I can only call it one thing, the terrible mis-spinship of the Norwegians trying to shoot that dog.

Luciano (01:03:26.593)
All right, we're talking in circles

Luciano (01:03:39.287)
Right.

Hahaha!

Luciano (01:03:50.766)
The Norwegian was right.

Spencer (01:03:52.841)
They're there

Luciano (01:03:53.73)
He was, but he missed very, like, I don't understand how, how many times does he fly over that dog and misses every single one of those shots?

Chris (01:04:06.595)
correct.

Spencer (01:04:06.669)
What are you, he's a researcher, he's not a god damn Navy Seal.

Luciano (01:04:11.7)
Dude he has a sniper and like a fucking giant box of thermo grenades

Chris (01:04:11.919)
How do you know?

Chris (01:04:17.72)
Yeah.

Spencer (01:04:18.265)
The grenades was the mess to be honest. He should have opened with those. Yeah.

Matt (01:04:21.875)
He clearly doesn't know how to use grenades, so he shouldn't have been using them.

Luciano (01:04:24.992)
No, well, that's, I laughed so hard at that scene. It was like,

Chris (01:04:27.956)
Hehehehehe

Spencer (01:04:30.145)
He almost threw the pin. Like, ooo,

Luciano (01:04:35.532)
No, was the funniest thing was like he pulled he pulled the pin that he is going to toss the grenade. He flies backwards into the like near the helicopter. The pilot dude, instead of running for his fucking life, was like, I'm going to find it. I'm going to find it and save it. It's my favorite grenade.

Chris (01:04:45.869)
Mm-hmm.

Spencer (01:04:52.825)
they knew they needed a helicopter I guess that's my only grenade yeah that was a bad call

Chris (01:04:58.223)
That grenade is putting my kids through college.

Luciano (01:05:03.052)
Yeah, I don't know that dog had the strongest blood armor i've ever seen in my life

Chris (01:05:07.279)
Yeah, that made no sense. High ground, not as fast as a helicopter. Come on, come

Luciano (01:05:14.624)
I mean, he doesn't know how run the helicopter, but still still he was running in the straight line Spencer. Like they could have they could have let they could have landed. They had a sniper. He could have landed the fucking chopper, stepped out of it, chopped the dog and get the fuck out.

Spencer (01:05:14.689)
I mean, he's a moving target. He's a...

Chris (01:05:17.839)
Duh.

Chris (01:05:21.633)
Exactly, and they could have dropped like you could have opened up all those grenades and then chuck chuck chuck boom

Matt (01:05:33.883)
Okay, hear me out on this.

The Norwegian are things. And so the thing is taking over their body and that's why he keeps missing.

Spencer (01:05:41.367)
Mmm.

Luciano (01:05:41.495)
What?

Spencer (01:05:46.969)
Well, if you want to know for a fact, can watch the prequel because it's about those Norwegians.

Luciano (01:05:47.255)
Hmm.

Matt (01:05:51.25)
Fucking prequels.

Luciano (01:05:52.158)
Also, that would track Matt because maybe that grenade fumble wasn't a fumble.

Matt (01:05:57.864)
Mm-hmm.

Spencer (01:05:58.293)
It was a tactical suicide.

Luciano (01:06:00.301)
He was technical, well not so he's hecc as he killed the other guy.

Matt (01:06:03.611)
It was a noose hanging in his tool shed, if you will.

Spencer (01:06:04.499)
yeah, that's true. I'm okay now. I'm all better.

Luciano (01:06:05.07)
But it couldn't be the thing wait, but it couldn't be the thing because He got shot in the eye and he didn't turn into like a fucking giant spider with you know tentacles. So yeah

Chris (01:06:07.791)
I wanna come back and snack!

Matt (01:06:10.269)
Fine.

Spencer (01:06:17.283)
Jello.

Matt (01:06:18.631)
He didn't have time, he didn't know that Captain Ahab was gonna fucking shoot his white whale immediately.

Luciano (01:06:22.57)
You

Spencer (01:06:24.515)
Yeah, if I can catch a dead.

Luciano (01:06:26.69)
But yeah, like the sniper misses what like 10 shots and the captain is just like a little shot in the eye. He's like, holy shit.

Spencer (01:06:30.093)
I'll give you the sniper but...

Spencer (01:06:35.479)
No, I won't give you the sniper because honestly, I've never shot a sniper rifle out of a moving helicopter and I don't know how easy it is. So I'm gonna give him a pass on that. But I won't though, is your point. They did have grenades and they could have easily just dropped her. Doesn't take a lot of aim to drop a grenade on a guy.

Luciano (01:06:45.655)
Yeah.

Luciano (01:06:49.74)
Well, he tried and he misses, right? He tosses a grenade and he misses from the helicopter. Misses by far even. Like it explodes way far from the dog.

Chris (01:06:52.719)
Yeah.

Spencer (01:06:54.521)
Yeah.

Matt (01:06:54.555)
It's fine.

Matt (01:07:00.047)
It's one of these things that like is clearly plot armor and there's probably ways to fix it and we're just not gonna do it because we don't care. The other thing we should talk about is the third section, our questions, our fun questions. Because I think the listeners wanna know what we have in store for them. And I think we're gonna start with the all important question. Would diabetes kill a thing?

Luciano (01:07:04.886)
A better way of doing that,

Pfft.

Luciano (01:07:14.552)
Right.

Luciano (01:07:29.96)
given, that it infected Wilford Brimley to become Wilford Thingley, and that was the best iteration and the fastest and the strongest and smartest iteration. think diabetes gives them power.

Spencer (01:07:30.969)
That's a question.

Spencer (01:07:44.921)
I thought you were going to say it was the best iteration of diabetes. It's the one in Wilford Brivley. It was fighting the best version. The best.

Matt (01:07:45.181)
First of all,

Luciano (01:07:48.078)
That too! That too! It's type 3 diabetes. gives you superpowers and makes you grow a mustache.

Chris (01:07:48.505)
Yeah.

Matt (01:07:49.555)
Type three diabetes.

Chris (01:07:55.215)
Get your toes out of the shot!

Spencer (01:07:58.137)
I'm showing my diabetes foot

Chris (01:08:06.671)
type thingly diabetes?

Spencer (01:08:08.417)
may cause spurs to build the spaceships.

Matt (01:08:13.491)
I will challenge your thought process on the diabetes in the sense that we don't know how old Wilford Brimley is ever and we don't know when Wilford Brimley got diabetes. So he could not have diabetes before the thing took over and then he gets diabetes. I'm I'm positing a question to you. If he doesn't have it becomes a thing, but then gets diabetes.

Chris (01:08:14.083)
He he he he

Spencer (01:08:23.993)
Wiffle Bremley is eternal.

Luciano (01:08:26.336)
Yeah.

Chris (01:08:26.679)
Yeah, he's an immortal.

Luciano (01:08:32.996)
Yeah, but you cannot prove it.

Matt (01:08:43.667)
because it's in him all along. Does the thing survive?

Luciano (01:08:44.961)
Right.

Hmm

Spencer (01:08:48.289)
Are you saying maybe the diabetes was in us all along?

Maybe the real diabetes was the friends we made along the way.

Luciano (01:08:57.358)
Maybe Will Fortingly never had diabetes, he just had the thing. Maybe that's what it is.

Matt (01:08:58.567)
Maybe.

Spencer (01:09:04.803)
I'm going to take a turn on this question and just say, no, this is just answering your question. The, I forget which guy his name is the woman whose chest exploded. Norris. He is, is the thing and he has a heart attack as the thing. So the thing doesn't can't call it such a, it's a perfect replica that it replicates your defects. So

Matt (01:09:07.164)
Ok, sure.

Yeah.

Luciano (01:09:11.554)
Hahaha

Matt (01:09:16.349)
Norris.

Luciano (01:09:16.854)
North, yeah.

Luciano (01:09:22.092)
Right, right.

Matt (01:09:22.631)
Yep. Yep.

Luciano (01:09:29.484)
Right.

Spencer (01:09:31.083)
If you have diabetes and get replicated, you'll still have diabetes. And if not treated, it will still, I assume it doesn't kill the, it doesn't defeat the thing because the thing still lives, but the body, guess, will stop working.

Matt (01:09:37.267)
defeat the thing.

Matt (01:09:43.507)
But if the entire body stops working, how does the thing survive? If every cell of the body dies...

Luciano (01:09:52.046)
Yeah, but it doesn't really die. Yeah.

Spencer (01:09:53.197)
But the cells don't die, the body stops working because it doesn't have a working heart. In which case it has to open its chest. Yeah, but that's why when he gives him the paddles, it attacks, because it can't like move anymore, I guess. So that's its opportunity to kill somebody else. Sorry.

Matt (01:09:59.367)
Right, so but.

Luciano (01:10:00.883)
Like, the thing can survive as just blood, right?

Matt (01:10:12.249)
It's- a- Hey Spencer, we already cackled this in how does super fucking Wilford Thingly operate? I just want to know if diabetes can kill a thing or not. Are you saying no? Thank you Chris. Yield your time, Chris is talking.

Chris (01:10:12.345)
This

Luciano (01:10:19.692)
Hahaha!

I don't think he can. I don't think he can. Okay.

Spencer (01:10:23.777)
I think I can I don't I

Chris (01:10:24.131)
think it can.

Spencer (01:10:28.121)
Hahahaha

Luciano (01:10:28.511)
HAHAHAHA

Chris (01:10:29.869)
While we were talking about diabetes, was like, okay, well, wait a minute, like on the cellular level, does diabetes, how does diabetes operate? And I went and checked and I just went and checked. And so it eventually causes cellular death. So I feel like it's like that, not yin and yang, but like there's a conflict between thing trying to take over cells and grow and replicate, but then diabetes,

Spencer (01:10:34.964)
Mmm.

Matt (01:10:40.007)
Great. Yep.

Luciano (01:10:57.655)
and cells dying.

Chris (01:10:59.201)
and cells die. how can progress take place? I had two shake weights. How can thingly progress take place when half of the body, or rather half of the organism or the creature or the person is dying if they have diabetes? So I feel like no progress would be made. So eventually I think it would have to yield.

Luciano (01:11:03.757)
Ha

Spencer (01:11:07.332)
Shake weight.

Matt (01:11:26.995)
Pretty sure they cover this in the Cocoon movie, so we don't need to go any further.

Spencer (01:11:29.785)
I just want to add because Chris made a good point actually I'm converted. I think if Wilford Thingley knows what like if he's aware what diabetes is because he has it. I think the thing that knows that it knows that its own insulin levels are low and the thing can replicate insulin levels.

Chris (01:11:29.923)
Hahaha

Luciano (01:11:30.28)
Hahaha!

Luciano (01:11:41.784)
Right.

Matt (01:11:49.479)
This is the worst answer of all time because it's too realistic. What are we doing here?

Luciano (01:11:50.744)
That was, that was why you did not have to like you, I wish you could rewind 30 seconds is what I wish.

Spencer (01:11:53.378)
Is that?

Spencer (01:11:57.102)
And then he... I pass.

Matt (01:12:01.179)
You all yield your time. You all failed at this question. We're going to the next one. Why does McCready have his own cabin?

Luciano (01:12:01.267)
Hahaha!

Luciano (01:12:11.15)
He eats a lot of beans.

Chris (01:12:13.103)
He wants to drink as much as he wants without prying eyes of the rest of the camp and crew. And he's single-handedly depleting their alcohol stores. And he's doing it on the DL. So that's why he's able to throw alcohol on the computer. Because if he did that in front of everybody else, they'd tear him a new a-hole.

Luciano (01:12:14.637)
What?

Luciano (01:12:18.092)
On his own.

Luciano (01:12:42.508)
I think he's single-handedly doing other things. That's why he needs his own cabin.

Spencer (01:12:45.433)
Do you think he was kicked out to his own cabin or he was given or he like took the one cabin?

Matt (01:12:51.635)
I think Luciano's right. He was using his single hand to do things to himself. And people didn't want to watch him doing it anymore.

Luciano (01:12:56.246)
And they were like, fuck off. Exactly. Yeah. It's the cabin of shame. It's the cabin of shame, not the cabin of anything else.

Spencer (01:12:58.701)
He was

Chris (01:12:58.831)
It makes sense. Look at how many pairs of sunglasses he has. See? Doesn't want to make eye contact anymore.

Spencer (01:13:03.545)
The fuck what the fuck the sunglasses have to do with jerking it Everything

Matt (01:13:03.667)
Mm-hmm.

Chris (01:13:08.237)
He had, he had like everything. had like, explain the sunglasses and the sombrero. Luciano's right.

Luciano (01:13:09.046)
What if, wait, if that's, wait, wait. If that's the case, then what the fuck was Windows doing because it never takes those fucking glasses off.

Matt (01:13:09.539)
everything.

Matt (01:13:21.831)
First of all, the sombrero shame is a very important marker when you're a bunch of dudes alone. You need to know who the creepiest jerk-off guy is. Windows was second level. So when you got the sombrero and the sunglasses number one, she the sunglasses number two.

Luciano (01:13:28.76)
True,

Spencer (01:13:37.346)
Rollerblades. Yeah.

Matt (01:13:38.972)
Rollerblades number three.

Luciano (01:13:40.308)
Hmm. So it was a hierarchy of nastiness is what that is. Okay.

Chris (01:13:41.411)
Mass transportation.

Matt (01:13:43.291)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And if you ever get all three somehow, then you're out of... You go to the tool shed. Or the cabin. Yeah. Yeah.

Luciano (01:13:47.79)
You go to the cabin. You go to the cabin. And if you get, and if it gets really, really bad, have to build a noose.

Chris (01:13:48.377)
Wilfred Frickin' Finkley.

Spencer (01:13:51.843)
They're also disgusted with him that that's why the thing didn't kill him.

Matt (01:13:58.865)
Well, yeah, think that's Spencer's right. this is how we know McCready wasn't the thing because the thing is just like, do you nasty? I'm not taking over that.

Luciano (01:14:05.748)
Yeah, I'm not, I don't want to be you. Fuck off. Yeah.

Spencer (01:14:06.777)
I don't want to be you. I don't think about you at all.

Matt (01:14:08.391)
gross.

Chris (01:14:10.895)
promise you, I promise you by the time you try to finish that flask and the fire dies out after this explosion, I still don't want you.

Matt (01:14:12.785)
Yeah.

Luciano (01:14:19.786)
Yeah, Macready would single-handedly teach the thing the concept of shame.

Spencer (01:14:20.473)
Why is he southern all of sudden?

Chris (01:14:23.545)
The Thingly?

Matt (01:14:26.675)
Moving on, I do want to know, what is the, this is a research station, quote unquote, in the Antarctic?

So they're researching science things? Yeah, they're doing the science. Why does the science need so many guns and flamethrowers?

Chris (01:14:39.277)
Things.

Luciano (01:14:40.526)
Yeah, they're doing the science. Yeah

Luciano (01:14:47.246)
It is a good question.

Spencer (01:14:47.673)
That's a good question.

Chris (01:14:52.751)
Crowd control.

Spencer (01:14:53.741)
They're researching the effects of... They're researching the effects of guns on ice.

Luciano (01:14:54.594)
Crowd control, what, they're controlling the snow?

Chris (01:15:00.481)
You know, doesn't ricochet. What I can't keep split. many, how many snowflakes can you inflict damage to? I just want to understand.

Matt (01:15:01.566)
Mm-hmm.

Luciano (01:15:01.742)
Hahaha!

Luciano (01:15:07.182)
I the answer is they're American. I think that's really the answer.

Spencer (01:15:07.66)
Thanks.

Spencer (01:15:12.874)
No, Disney was planning to put on a musical called Guns on Ice and they needed to test it. Well, the pyro, no, and pyrotechnics, of course, for the show. It was going to be a dancing ice skating extravaganza with live ammunition.

Luciano (01:15:17.217)
I see.

Matt (01:15:18.681)
You need the flame florists to like melt the snow and ice. That's right. Yeah.

Chris (01:15:29.487)
Yes. Yes.

Luciano (01:15:31.383)
you

Matt (01:15:31.453)
So this was the first, like this is the alpha test of Disney on ice. They wanted to put it away in Antarctic for prying eyes.

Spencer (01:15:37.209)
Yeah, no, Disney presents Guns on Ice.

Chris (01:15:37.231)
Mmm.

Chris (01:15:42.857)
Mmm, young guns on ice.

Luciano (01:15:43.323)
This was, is this like a frozen prequel? Is that what that is?

Matt (01:15:47.827)
Well, no, Disney on ice is a better thing forever. It's not frozen. It's just like, things happening on ice. So this is the first iteration. You know how like, Steamboat Mickey was the first Mickey? Yeah. Sure.

Luciano (01:15:53.69)
gotcha.

Spencer (01:15:55.341)
This is their Texas division.

Luciano (01:15:57.964)
Hahaha!

Chris (01:15:57.972)
yeah. And now this is Disney on Ice presents Science Guns on Ice.

Luciano (01:16:03.924)
on ice yeah science science guns science guns on ice no no science guns on ice was better yeah you ruined

Chris (01:16:06.831)
The scientific method on ice.

Spencer (01:16:06.915)
You

Matt (01:16:12.689)
Yeah, you were fine the first time. didn't have to...

Spencer (01:16:14.551)
Yeah, science, science colon guns on ice hyphen extravaganza. The musical.

Chris (01:16:14.925)
Nah,

Matt (01:16:20.381)
Yeah. Extravaganza.

Luciano (01:16:21.87)
The musical. All right.

Matt (01:16:27.943)
Great, thanks everybody, that was great. Frawl of question, unrelated.

Matt (01:16:37.383)
The thing is only able to replicate people it touches, right?

Luciano (01:16:42.318)
Thing they have organisms, guess it touches. Yeah Right, right

Matt (01:16:44.839)
Organisms, yeah, because it was the dogs and stuff.

What is the best choice for the thing to become in order to touch as many people as possible?

Luciano (01:16:58.285)
no.

Spencer (01:17:00.643)
When you say touch as many as people possible, it just doesn't sound... Just touching?

Luciano (01:17:03.168)
Are we are we talking are we talking touching or being touched because they're very different.

Chris (01:17:03.172)
Yeah.

Spencer (01:17:12.077)
Are we done touching?

Chris (01:17:12.591)
That's the same thing. That's the same thing. Touching is touching. That's physical contact. So you want to know who our picks are.

Luciano (01:17:16.397)
Hmm.

Matt (01:17:19.557)
Love is love, baby.

Chris (01:17:21.664)
now there's love involved. I see. Mmm.

Matt (01:17:24.177)
Answer the question.

Luciano (01:17:24.744)
Well, whatever gets the thing to touch things, I guess.

Spencer (01:17:27.865)
But just, I agree, but it's also, if the thing could just assimilate or infect someone just by shaking hands, he would have done that in the movie. He has to get saliva or blood or them alone.

Matt (01:17:40.573)
Hey man. Hey man.

Luciano (01:17:40.848)
no. no! This is getting more dangerous by the minute.

Matt (01:17:44.987)
I'm asking the questions. I don't know why you gotta.

Spencer (01:17:46.037)
Okay, sorry. Well, in this question, do they have to have the, is it the person who can touch the most saliva or blood or get them alone? Or is it whoever could just like shake the most hands? That's true. All right, well, I'm choosing to answer it via whoever can share the most saliva, blood and or be alone with.

Matt (01:17:58.331)
You know, Spencer, if you had a problem with this question, you should have brought it up in the free show. Where we could have fixed it.

Fine. That's Great.

Chris (01:18:10.831)
So that, so you're saying.

Spencer (01:18:12.567)
And I picked yo mama. shit!

Luciano (01:18:12.696)
So what? Wow, that was the worst setup for a Yo Mama joke ever.

Chris (01:18:17.443)
But based on your rant, McCready could have stole away folks to his shack.

Luciano (01:18:27.022)
no. What are you talking about? Yeah.

Spencer (01:18:27.779)
What? No, no, talking about anyone on the planet Earth.

Chris (01:18:31.279)
Okay, so what time period? Any time period?

Matt (01:18:34.119)
Holy shit man, just answer the question. Fill in the blanks however you want. I don't care.

Luciano (01:18:37.582)
Does it have to be someone with two hands? Can they touch them with just one hand?

Chris (01:18:37.783)
Okay, so if we did it in the 80s, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, If this is present day, there's an answer, and I've got it. And if it was in the 80s, it'd be Andy Griffith. Shut the fuck up! Andy Griffith, okay, would be from the 80s, and then Diddy would be present day.

Spencer (01:18:49.678)
my god.

Luciano (01:18:57.228)
I was gonna say, I was gonna pick Diddy just from the sheer number of people he touched. Yeah.

Spencer (01:18:57.505)
Diddy!

Matt (01:18:59.443)
Fuck me.

Spencer (01:19:03.053)
The freak offs. The freak offs have a whole new meaning. Let me ask you Matt, what financial bracket do these people have to be in? Does that?

Chris (01:19:04.515)
Baby oil.

Luciano (01:19:08.417)
You

Yeah, do they have to be people that pay taxes?

Chris (01:19:16.045)
And spiritually, what is their stance on Kabbalah?

Matt (01:19:21.651)
Okay, so tax bracket. Yes, Kabbalah only on the weekends.

Luciano (01:19:26.488)
Wait, tax bracket yes is not an answer.

Spencer (01:19:27.769)
Yes, so that is so yes, they're in a tax bracket, okay, they have made money I'm go with hmm. I'm gonna go with

Chris (01:19:29.261)
HAHAHAHA

Luciano (01:19:33.442)
Text bracket, text bracket, yes, Kabbalah

Chris (01:19:35.051)
I don't

Matt (01:19:38.343)
I, next time.

Chris (01:19:39.064)
ahem

Chris (01:19:46.381)
METWOI!

Spencer (01:19:47.705)
Who is the, I don't know, it's hard to top Diddy. That's a good pick.

Luciano (01:19:51.894)
Yeah, DD is the answer, I think.

Chris (01:19:52.643)
You got other, there's other people, you good.

Spencer (01:19:57.005)
I was just... No, too... Why are they all rapists? I'm gonna... That's a choice. No, not me. Don't put me in that boat. Don't put me in the rapist boat.

Luciano (01:19:57.046)
Epstein?

Luciano (01:20:01.294)
Is it gonna say too soon?

Matt (01:20:03.793)
That's a choice you guys are making. OK, that's a choice.

Luciano (01:20:07.42)
Hahaha!

Chris (01:20:09.443)
I'll throw another one out, Louis CK.

Luciano (01:20:11.804)
no. Bill Cosby!

Matt (01:20:12.278)
Hey, you don't have to call it rapists anymore. We're done

Spencer (01:20:13.591)
Yeah, I'm to go with Leonardo DiCaprio.

Chris (01:20:15.183)
I didn't say that.

Luciano (01:20:18.757)
Pope Francis. good pick. Because he keeps renewing his pool of people he touches.

Chris (01:20:23.715)
Here's another one that's not a rapist. Bob Ross.

Matt (01:20:25.875)
Chris.

Spencer (01:20:29.74)
Yeah, exactly.

Chris (01:20:29.977)
That's right. Eat it!

Matt (01:20:30.397)
Chris, Chris, you don't have to yell out names just for the sake of yelling out names. It's, but that's, this isn't the game.

Chris (01:20:33.709)
Yes I can, because it's a fun game.

Luciano (01:20:35.746)
Well, he didn't say you can't, he said you shouldn't. It's different.

Spencer (01:20:38.969)
Shaggy!

Chris (01:20:39.759)
Yeah

Matt (01:20:41.095)
The game isn't yellow if the first name comes into your head. The question had a very specific form to it.

Luciano (01:20:42.51)
no Scoob, I'm a thing!

Chris (01:20:42.991)
It wasn't Lava lava lava.

Spencer (01:20:46.745)
Pope Francis!

Luciano (01:20:51.022)
When has that ever stopped Chris from answering the question he has in his head?

Chris (01:20:52.911)
BUKE YOUR RULES!

Matt (01:20:58.619)
I listen. I guess that's why people listen to this.

Luciano (01:21:01.824)
Yeah, sure. All of our listeners listen to this.

Spencer (01:21:05.091)
Vladimir Putin.

Matt (01:21:05.233)
Moving on. Moving on.

Chris (01:21:07.545)
Yeah.

Matt (01:21:10.247)
Let's rank this movie on a scale from S to F.

Luciano (01:21:16.683)
Uh-huh.

Chris (01:21:18.415)
Notice how slow he is? He's STAY ON THE RAILS, YOU GODDAMN-

Matt (01:21:18.651)
Not random. Not random people names.

Luciano (01:21:20.342)
Yeah, yeah.

Matt (01:21:24.433)
Focus.

Spencer (01:21:27.129)
Chris, look at the light. Look at the light here.

Luciano (01:21:27.246)
you

Matt (01:21:27.485)
Chris?

Chris (01:21:29.625)
Yeah

Matt (01:21:30.835)
I'm gonna get Luciano to go first. And you think of a letter between S and F.

Chris (01:21:33.999)
Show me how it's

Spencer (01:21:41.295)
god.

Luciano (01:21:44.014)
so like I said in the beginning, I, I had seen lots of bits and pieces of this movie, but quite frankly, the only thing I actually remembered and I misremembered was the scene with testing the blood because in my head, for whatever reason, he was tying people up to chairs and electrocuting them. That's how I remembered the scene. I don't know why I don't, maybe, maybe, maybe the things got crossed, but anyway. Yeah. And, there you go. There you go.

Matt (01:21:44.563)
Luciana.

Spencer (01:22:03.459)
That was your sexual fantasy.

Matt (01:22:05.672)
Wow.

And then Spencer's feet showed up in your dream and you got really confused.

Spencer (01:22:09.817)
What a powerful wet dream.

Luciano (01:22:14.03)
That makes sense, I guess. Anyway, I enjoyed this movie. I'm not the hugest fan of horror or this type of movie, but it is well put together. All the things we said, the acting was good, the story is very tight, even though we talked for half an hour about the one plot hole we found. The CG is...

But or like the the effects, the effects is like dated, but it's it's still it's part of the sort of the identity of the movie at this point. Right. Now, all things considered, like, I think it's a B for me. Like, I actually would rewatch it to do the things that that Spencer said, like trying to find clues in what people say or what things happen. that's when he got infected. That's when he got infected, like that sort of thing. But yeah, it's a B. It's a B for me.

Spencer (01:22:42.871)
That's CG.

Spencer (01:22:57.833)
What?

Spencer (01:23:08.025)
I just wanna quote Macready and say, yeah, fuck you too.

Luciano (01:23:15.448)
Hahahaha

Matt (01:23:18.109)
Great. You don't have any opinion on the merit, which is nice to see. Chris, are you ready?

Chris (01:23:23.309)
Yeah, so this is an A for me because it's one of those movies that that stick with you I was I don't do horror well And so I had to like watch I broke his movie in half and like watched it the first half and then I was like, okay I think I can make it and then I let you I let the guys know like I'm okay I'm able to sleep tonight took on the second half and like overall

very happy that I was able to watch it and it was enjoyable. The special effects didn't bother me at all because when you deal with movies that are not from present day or like go beyond 10 years before, know, this sort of our modern era of movies making and so on, it's fine.

Luciano (01:24:06.092)
Just to clarify, I wasn't bothered, I was abused, so...

Matt (01:24:09.843)
Says the man who picked Highlander.

Spencer (01:24:12.857)
Hahaha!

Luciano (01:24:12.872)
That is true. That is true. Context. Just context.

Matt (01:24:16.605)
just giving people information that may be pertinent.

Chris (01:24:18.413)
Nobody, information nobody asks for. But, more back to my review, this movie is an A, this is something you should watch, and

Luciano (01:24:21.426)
Hahaha!

Luciano (01:24:25.506)
I agree with that. People should, if they haven't watched it, they should watch it. Yeah.

Chris (01:24:28.112)
You should, and you'll enjoy it just as much if not more than when you watch Highland.

Luciano (01:24:34.178)
More, more, definitely more.

Matt (01:24:35.581)
Definitely more. Definitely a thousand times more. I'm gonna give this movie an S. I just really enjoyed the simplicity of the movie and the fact that it just twists and turns and makes you wonder who is or is not a thing at all times. know, plot holes be damned to the end. I mean, whatever. Like it's not, that doesn't break the movie. It's just a, you know, it's something that's.

Chris (01:24:36.097)
Not as much, but close.

Spencer (01:24:41.219)
Fuck you less, Chris.

Matt (01:25:04.285)
questionable, but it doesn't really change the enjoyment of the movie for me because I just like that. Yeah, but it's just like, like that the movie, the fact that the movie, I think the key for me is the movie shows you the thing immediately and shows you that everybody knows the thing exists and everybody is much more freaked out by the fact that they could be a thing and they don't know. And surprisingly, it is not something that Hollywood has been able to really reproduce in a meaningful way.

Luciano (01:25:09.11)
It's just us being nitpicky like we usually are.

Matt (01:25:34.19)
And that's why it's an S for me because they still haven't figured out why this movie works because they want to make it like, they want to up the ante on like how this works. the, yeah, it's the thing is secretive and no one knows you're a thing and the audience knows wink, wink, the actors don't know. That's stupid. Like it's better when they know cause it's, then you're, you're living it with them.

Chris (01:25:46.691)
Big review.

Spencer (01:25:57.433)
Yeah, totally. 100 % nailed that. You feel like you're there. Like, fuck, this is.

Matt (01:26:03.313)
Yeah.

Luciano (01:26:04.448)
It is very immersive, like more than you would think. I agree with that too.

Matt (01:26:07.997)
Yeah, especially when I got shot in the leg. That was not cool. shut up, I'm trying to sleep. got shot today. Spencer.

Luciano (01:26:11.67)
It hurts, dammit!

Chris (01:26:12.399)
You tough son of a gun! Tough son of a gun!

Hahaha

Spencer (01:26:20.413)
I mean, I think it's pretty obvious how I feel about this movie. So I'm not going to, I will say we made a very special exception for the matrix and I'd like to make another formal request to give this movie. Cause it is my pick a, a rare S plus. No, no, no, no, not anyone else. Just, just for me. it's an S plus because it actually is along with the matrix in my top five. It's, it's, it's got a special place in my heart. I don't even like horror movies.

Matt (01:26:35.707)
You can give it an S plus, but I think it will just going to deny your... that's fine.

Luciano (01:26:40.27)
Sure.

Chris (01:26:50.585)
Hmm.

Spencer (01:26:50.851)
But this movie, just like, when I first saw it, it was just like so different, so cool. It's just fucking, I don't know, it just checks all the boxes for me. I still like watch like YouTube breakdowns of it and stuff. It's just, it's a vibe and I'm here for it. I wanted to ask, I didn't ask this, I wanted to ask you guys, did you guys think it was scary? Mainly Chris, because I know Chris gets scared for more movies.

Chris (01:27:14.009)
Yeah, I don't like being, that's the only reason why it wasn't an S for me because like, was like, And then fortunately it didn't like, I was never really attacked with the scare. Like I was, that's why like I enjoyed this movie. So a little, but it didn't get me. So I'm grateful for that.

Luciano (01:27:22.484)
I actually was...

Luciano (01:27:34.222)
I was not scared either. Yeah. I was like, I was expecting to be more disturbing in terms of like being scared. Like it's, this is, if I'm going to watch a horror movie, this is the kind of watch where I like to watch. It's not, it's not like I hate jump scares. That's the thing I hate the most about horror movies. There's none here really. Right now this is just like a scary situation.

Spencer (01:27:48.025)
Me too.

Chris (01:27:48.559)
with Wilfred Brindley. Like I was like, So I was like, okay.

Spencer (01:27:56.887)
No jump stairs.

Spencer (01:28:01.814)
Yeah.

Luciano (01:28:02.363)
And I think it's like you can put yourselves in the shoes of any of those guys there and go, holy shit, this would be one of the scariest fucking things that could ever happen. Right? I like, honestly, if this had like jump scares and shit, it would have brought it down to like a C or a D. Yeah, for sure.

Spencer (01:28:13.144)
Yeah.

Spencer (01:28:20.055)
detracted from it. agree.

Matt (01:28:23.091)
I think you could make an argument that the blood test is a jump scare in the way they presented to you because they catch you off guard with it. Sure. I mean, it's pretty much the OG jump scare.

Luciano (01:28:28.118)
Yeah, a little bit.

Spencer (01:28:28.279)
Yeah. But it's a perfectly executed jumpscare. It's earned.

Luciano (01:28:32.61)
Yeah, it's meaningful, right?

Yeah. Yeah.

Spencer (01:28:37.603)
Yeah.

Chris (01:28:37.773)
you know something's gonna happen eventually.

Spencer (01:28:40.291)
But it's not just like someone like, don't know where to be like, it's like building tension for like that whole scene. Yeah. And then, and then a payoff.

Chris (01:28:43.331)
Yeah. Correct. Correct. But you-

Luciano (01:28:46.087)
And you know something is coming right you know some one of them is going to react react in a different way. Yeah, yeah Yeah

Chris (01:28:50.851)
Right, and you don't know necessarily how, but at least there's a foundation and it's E, it's slowly throttled up. for me, that was fine. was like, fascinating, what's gonna happen? Who is it? It feels more mystery. It's more mystery than it is horror.

Luciano (01:28:57.175)
Yeah.

Spencer (01:29:00.321)
Yeah.

Luciano (01:29:04.118)
Yeah, exactly. It's like the others, the others has the same vibe or like you're tense and like, but you're not like, my God, something's going to jump at me in the screen. Yeah.

Spencer (01:29:05.517)
That's exactly... Yeah.

Spencer (01:29:13.015)
I was actually going to say that same thing, Chris, that it's the last thing I'll say is I love this movie because I don't like horror, but it is more of a mystery than a horror movie. It's a sci fi like thriller mystery. And that's why I love it so much. What of a kind?

Luciano (01:29:32.268)
Moving on!

Matt (01:29:33.711)
Speaking of one-of-a-kind movies, we are gonna watch Wolves next. Wolves. Wolves. The Pornah Jagathanathan vehicle.

Luciano (01:29:36.183)
What?

Spencer (01:29:40.151)
You mean... wolves?

Luciano (01:29:40.478)
yeah, it's wolfs.

Luciano (01:29:49.044)
You shot yourself in the foot there.

Matt (01:29:51.865)
That's fine. You think I tried my best?

Spencer (01:29:52.686)
I mean, there's some small up and coming actors like Brad Pitt and George Clooney too, but.

Luciano (01:29:57.252)
Yeah... They're going places.

Matt (01:29:58.332)
Never heard of them.

allegedly, we're gonna watch the reunion of Brad Pitt and George Clooney. Wolfs with an S.

Chris (01:30:06.607)
Hey.

Luciano (01:30:07.448)
Yeah, wolves.

Spencer (01:30:09.261)
Wolfess.

Chris (01:30:09.679)
Does this mean one day we should do Ocean's Eleven or something?

Matt (01:30:12.761)
No, we're going to skip right to 13.

Spencer (01:30:13.557)
No, never. As one does. Now we're skipping right to Ocean's 8.

Chris (01:30:15.663)
Hey!

Luciano (01:30:15.738)
Yeah

Matt (01:30:20.091)
Yeah, yeah, we're not ever gonna, we're not even gonna do pit including.

Luciano (01:30:20.544)
Hey, I don't dislike that movie.

Spencer (01:30:22.169)
I've never seen it. Fuck the patriarchy.

Luciano (01:30:24.237)
It's okay.

Matt (01:30:26.547)
Wow. Says the man who never watched it. Yeah.

Chris (01:30:26.767)
True.

Luciano (01:30:30.764)
Hahaha

Matt (01:30:33.885)
Come back.

Luciano (01:30:34.203)
no, Incell Spencer makes a comeback!

Chris (01:30:36.923)
Holy shit, I thought we lost them in the blur of the Antarctic, but no.

Matt (01:30:37.659)
Thank

Spencer (01:30:39.916)
yeah and that's why I didn't let I love this movie there's no women in it

Luciano (01:30:41.76)
Yeah.

Hahaha!

Matt (01:30:47.709)
So anyway, we'll, with some women in it, we're gonna watch that next week's, Incell Spencer might not ever come back. Yeah.

Spencer (01:30:48.697)
Boo! Boo!

Luciano (01:30:52.878)
god.

Spencer (01:30:58.166)
I feel like Matt is like the captain character where he's like on this podcast. He's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'd to not spend the rest of this night tied to this fucking chair. Him trying to end this podcast.

Luciano (01:31:08.513)
Yeah, yeah.

Matt (01:31:12.933)
I yield all of your time. Goodbye.

Luciano (01:31:15.992)
Goodbye!

Spencer (01:31:18.691)
boom boom boom